[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 13 14:50:44 EST 2008
Yea...but I believe that Bennie was surprised by the effect on him...And maybe y'all guys forget how powerful that 'C' is.....
BYW....will you (all) put away your "C" for a while if the other guys will???? ;^) Otherwise I'll be forced to bombard the list withrecipes from Martha and insights from Oprah...(GAG...that woould be worse for me than for you.....)
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim - Political reply to his Political Post -
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:42 PM
> As you just very well related, sometimes adding the c gives
> exactly the
> desired effect.
>
> elle wrote:
> > Oh, yea....one more thing....
> >
> > Yes, we're at a bar....and I've done my share
> of table dancing, but nontheless, there are LADIES
> present.....
> >
> > Seriously...maybe if some of the more graphic elements
> were toned down...
> >
> > Did I ever tell the story about when I was teaching in
> central WVA...back in a 'holler'.so poor that my Fed
> loans were reduced by 15% and not the traditional 10%...so
> poor that when there was a coal mine strike all the kids had
> to bring coal to school to heat the building...so poor that
> one family that had @ 14 or 15 kids (NO social commentary,
> please) and not all the kids were ever in school at the same
> time as there were not enough clothes...But I digress...I
> was teaching gr. 4-8; Bennie was a 6'something
> 16-year-old in the 6th grade....(not unusual...these kids
> were BIG)...I was @21, 4'11" & about
> #90.....but witha mean kick to the shins...& I had my
> paddle....;^) But he was big & tried to let me keep that
> in mind. (Big deal)
> >
> > Bennie was writing in the back of his
> book...fuk..fuk...I walked over to him & just
> watched...he was aware of my presence...and defiantly
> continued his defacement.
> >
> > I reached down, put my hand over his & helped him
> write the errant 'c' in its proper place.
> >
> > He was mortified...adding the 'c' made it a
> dirty word..and he had the character to realize it.
> >
> > So, guys,, my messsge is you're not leaving out
> the 'c' ...and my instincts tell me you're quite
> a bit more literate than you're coming across...
> >
> > Can we be a bit less graphic & maybe challenge the
> readers to use their imaginations a bit more?
> >
> > elle
> >
> > Yea, I'm in a bad mood. Want to make something of
> it...? ;^)
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Brad Haslett
> <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to Slim -
> Political reply to his Political Post -
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:35 PM
> >> Andrew,
> >>
> >> Stop it! Stop it all you chickenshits! If you
> want to
> >> have a
> >> discussion we'll have a discussion but
> I've seen
> >> this before on this
> >> list and I won't stand by and watch you do it
> again.
> >> You have your
> >> opinion, others have theirs. I've left this
> list three
> >> times and came
> >> back every time because one of you got tired of
> your mental
> >> masturbation party and invited me back. Stop it!
> Let Herb
> >> have his
> >> voice heard! If what you really want is a circle
> jerk
> >> amongst
> >> yourselves then just say so.
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Collins
> >> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb
> >>>
> >>> How do you classify the free-market socialism
> that is
> >>>
> >> being imposed on us by
> >>
> >>> Paulson, Bernanke and so forth. We are paying
> for a
> >>>
> >> horrible lack of
> >>
> >>> leadership, greed run amok, even Dubya says
> the Wall
> >>>
> >> St has a hang-over,
> >>
> >>> which is not an endorsement! I am not
> assigning blame
> >>>
> >> here, although I have
> >>
> >>> very strong opinions on this, merely pointing
> out
> >>>
> >> inconvenient and
> >>
> >>> unfortunate facts.
> >>>
> >>> These guys are not productive, they were
> destructive,
> >>>
> >> now they won't lend,
> >>
> >>> so they are not productive in that sense.
> >>> We are a society. How do reconcile that with
> >>>
> >> individualism and paying your
> >>
> >>> own way - your words. These guys are sucking
> the teat
> >>>
> >> of the gubmint like no
> >>
> >>> one ever has before. These 36 O rings are free
> market
> >>>
> >> socialists.
> >>
> >>> John Schulick is paying his own way, he works,
> pays
> >>>
> >> taxes, hustles and has
> >>
> >>> an R22 to keep him sane, just like the rest of
> us.
> >>>
> >>> You are generally logical but not rational in
> your
> >>>
> >> diatribes, here I do not
> >>
> >>> get it. I know you see what is happening out
> there,
> >>>
> >> how do you square it?
> >>
> >>> Andrew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
> >>>
> >> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>>> John, you've made an incorrect leap.
> >>>>
> >> Non-productive is a description.
> >>
> >>>> Sorry you don't like it, but in the
> context of
> >>>>
> >> the discussion, it fit.
> >>
> >>>> It's not a "right", it's
> a
> >>>>
> >> factual statement. The discussion was taxes.
> >>
> >>>> If you're not paying taxes, you're
> not
> >>>>
> >> productive in that sense. It's
> >>
> >>>> not a judgement call, it's just the
> way it is.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sorry if that offends you, I truly
> am, but
> >>>>
> >> that does not change my
> >>
> >>>> view.
> >>>>
> >>>> When you get more for the government then
> you put
> >>>>
> >> in, then you're
> >>
> >>>> non-productive in that sense. It
> doesn't mean
> >>>>
> >> you have no value, but it
> >>
> >>>> DOES mean that someone else is having to
> pay your
> >>>>
> >> way. Life costs money.
> >>
> >>>> I don't want to be forced to pay your
> way. If
> >>>>
> >> you don't like my view on
> >>
> >>>> that, I understand, but it's my view,
> and
> >>>>
> >> I'm entitled to it.
> >>
> >>>> However, your insinuation that I want to
> do
> >>>>
> >> something to folks in that
> >>
> >>>> situation, that I have some "final
> >>>>
> >> solution" was off the mark. You're
> >>
> >>>> simply wrong. You imposed on a view on me
> that is
> >>>>
> >> not mine. My "final
> >>
> >>>> solution" is to allow people to make
> their
> >>>>
> >> own choices, and live with
> >>
> >>>> the results of those choices.
> >>>>
> >>>> If/when you say nonsense like that, you
> can expect
> >>>>
> >> a similar response
> >>
> >>>> from me in the future.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would love to be a full time sailing
> captain. I
> >>>>
> >> have the credentials
> >>
> >>>> to do so. However, I do not have the
> belief that I
> >>>>
> >> can support my
> >>
> >>>> current bills and do so; so I will wait.
> >>>>
> >> That's my decision. It would be
> >>
> >>>> improper for me to insist that someone
> else cover
> >>>>
> >> my mortgage, feed my
> >>
> >>>> wife, grand-daughter, and daughter and pay
> my slip
> >>>>
> >> fees while I pursue
> >>
> >>>> what I want. I will pursue it when I
> believe I
> >>>>
> >> can. That's called
> >>
> >>>> responsibility.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you believe that it's OK to take
> money form
> >>>>
> >> one group to finance
> >>
> >>>> another, that's a socialist view. You
> may have
> >>>>
> >> other non-socialist views
> >>
> >>>> (usually, that would be capitalist views),
> enough
> >>>>
> >> to make you more of a
> >>
> >>>> capitalist than a socialist, but neither
> term is a
> >>>>
> >> stigma, they
> >>
> >>>> represent views.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you don't have those socialist
> views, then
> >>>>
> >> you understand completely
> >>
> >>>> the concept of paying your own way.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John Shulick wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> quote author Tootle
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I saw Herb responding to attacks
> and
> >>>>>
> >> snide remarks on his beliefs. John
> >>
> >>>>> S.'s remarks and innuendo set the
> tone.
> >>>>>
> >> He is the troll if there is
> >>
> >>>> one."
> >>>>
> >>>>> Ed,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will openly admit that my
> comments
> >>>>>
> >> contributed to the current
> >>
> >>>>> situation. Now I'll tell you why I
> made
> >>>>>
> >> them. Herbs' use of the word
> >>
> >>>>> "non-productive" really got
> under
> >>>>>
> >> my skin. Tell me what right he has to
> >>
> >>>>> determine who's productive and
> who's
> >>>>>
> >> not. Unless you have walked a mile
> >>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>> that persons' shoes you have
> absolutely
> >>>>>
> >> no idea of what had transpired in
> >>
> >>>>> that persons' life to put them in
> that
> >>>>>
> >> situation. Once you've determined
> >>
> >>>>> they have no value and don't
> contribute
> >>>>>
> >> what becomes of them. You don't
> >>
> >>>> want
> >>>>
> >>>>> to pay to educate them. They can't
> find
> >>>>>
> >> work that pays them enough to
> >>
> >>>> feed
> >>>>
> >>>>> and house themselves so what's
> left? Let
> >>>>>
> >> them wander homeless,
> >>
> >>>> committing
> >>>>
> >>>>> crimes to stay alive until society has
> had
> >>>>>
> >> enough? What I posted was the
> >>
> >>>>> logical conclusion of Herbs'
> thought and
> >>>>>
> >> that enraged him. I understand
> >>
> >>>>> there was a tradition of someone
> announcing
> >>>>>
> >> themselves to this forum, I
> >>
> >>>>> formally apologize to the list
> membership I
> >>>>>
> >> will do so now. Hello
> >>
> >>>> everybody
> >>>>
> >>>>> on the Rhodes 22 forum, my name is
> John
> >>>>>
> >> Shulick and I hail from
> >>
> >>>> Pittsburgh,
> >>>>
> >>>>> Pa. I'm 50 years old, for 30 years
> I
> >>>>>
> >> tried to make a living as a vocalist
> >>
> >>>> by
> >>>>
> >>>>> performing as a member of the
> Pittsburgh
> >>>>>
> >> opera chorus and soloist or
> >>
> >>>> section
> >>>>
> >>>>> leader for any church or temple who
> would
> >>>>>
> >> hire me. In addition, because
> >>
> >>>>> being a vocalist pays next to nothing
> I have
> >>>>>
> >> done menial labor my entire
> >>
> >>>>> life installing repairing and
> maintaining
> >>>>>
> >> swimming pools in the
> >>
> >>>> Pittsburgh
> >>>>
> >>>>> area. My father died when I was 15 I
> was on
> >>>>>
> >> my own by age 19. It took me
> >>
> >>>> 10
> >>>>
> >>>>> years to get my college degree(BM
> Duquesne
> >>>>>
> >> University 86) in a
> >>
> >>>> combination
> >>>>
> >>>>> of full and part time attendance. My
> average
> >>>>>
> >> annual income is less than
> >>
> >>>> 15K
> >>>>
> >>>>> a year and I've worked as many as
> 4 jobs
> >>>>>
> >> at one time to earn that. If it
> >>
> >>>>> weren't for the fact my wife has a
> real
> >>>>>
> >> job I would be living under a
> >>
> >>>> bridge
> >>>>
> >>>>> somewhere as one of Herbs'
> non-productive
> >>>>>
> >> people. The purchase of my beat
> >>
> >>>> up
> >>>>
> >>>>> old 71 Rhodes is one of the high
> points in my
> >>>>>
> >> life and it has been a
> >>
> >>>> great
> >>>>
> >>>>> joy refinishing the hull and teaching
> myself
> >>>>>
> >> to sail it this year. I
> >>
> >>>> joined
> >>>>
> >>>>> this forum hoping to benefit from the
> >>>>>
> >> accumulated knowledge here and I
> >>
> >>>> have.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I do not mind political discussion but
> I DO
> >>>>>
> >> mind the constant insinuation
> >>
> >>>>> that my and others opinions name us as
> >>>>>
> >> communist socialist and un
> >>
> >>>> american.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sometimes Ed I wonder if you, Herb,
> and god
> >>>>>
> >> (Brads' own label not mine)
> >>
> >>>>> simply post this stuff on a public
> forum to
> >>>>>
> >> provoke fights? I respect you
> >>
> >>>>> because of your tremendous knowledge
> >>>>>
> >> concerning the Rhodes 22 and sailing
> >>
> >>>> in
> >>>>
> >>>>> general but you insult me when your
> response
> >>>>>
> >> to someone is go to Stan and
> >>
> >>>>> throw money at him as a solution to
> >>>>>
> >> everything Rhodes. Some of us can't
> >>
> >>>> do
> >>>>
> >>>>> that. Oh and by the way I did catch
> >>>>>
> >> you're oblique threat to me some
> >>
> >>>> months
> >>>>
> >>>>> ago made as an aside to Elle (shoot
> the
> >>>>>
> >> western Pa turkey). Do it again
> >>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>> I will see if Ben C. would like to own
> 1/3 of
> >>>>>
> >> a marina. In his last post
> >>
> >>>>> Herb asked me what was up my butt.
> What's
> >>>>>
> >> up my butt is the conservative
> >>
> >>>>> enema you three have placed there with
> your
> >>>>>
> >> constant postings on your
> >>
> >>>> views.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nuff said
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John Shulick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Slim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, at least you get extra
> credit for
> >>>>>>
> >> making your view public and
> >>
> >>>>>> for not taking a back-channel
> approach,
> >>>>>>
> >> but you are wrong. I don't see
> >>
> >>>>>> a man defending his reputation
> vigorously
> >>>>>>
> >> as engaging in vitriol.
> >>
> >>>>>> This group is no different than
> any other
> >>>>>>
> >> and is certainly capable of
> >>
> >>>>>> "gang behavior", and
> quite
> >>>>>>
> >> frankly, several of you have ganged-up on
> >>
> >>>>>> Herb as of late, including you
> Slim.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "If you seek perfection, look
> in the
> >>>>>>
> >> mirror. If you find it there,
> >>
> >>>>>> seek it in others". M.
> Forbes
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is what you are asking a sneak
> preview of
> >>>>>>
> >> the Fairness Doctrine? I
> >>
> >>>>>> don't like it already! To my
> >>>>>>
> >> knowledge the only self-admitted
> >>
> >>>>>> "troll" on the list has
> already
> >>>>>>
> >> departed. Herb is no troll.
> >>
> >>>>>> Slim, you and your comrades do
> what you
> >>>>>>
> >> think is best, but I think
> >>
> >>>>>> you're being unfair and
> selfish.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:36 AM,
> Steven
> >>>>>>
> >> Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> To JLo and MJM,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We have a troll on our list
> that has
> >>>>>>>
> >> been causing problems and
> >>
> >>>> instilling
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> hatred and posting foul
> diatribes for
> >>>>>>>
> >> months now. He has caused many
> >>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> filter him out and/or delete
> his
> >>>>>>>
> >> posts in disgust. I, myself have
> >>
> >>>>>>> received
> >>>>>>> numerous back-channel messages
> >>>>>>>
> >> complaining about him and his rude and
> >>
> >>>>>>> inappropriate posts. This
> should
> >>>>>>>
> >> come to a halt. As a member of this
> >>
> >>>>>>> fine
> >>>>>>> community of Rhodes owners for
> some 8
> >>>>>>>
> >> or 9 years, I've seen only one
> >>
> >>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> member who has shown such a
> >>>>>>>
> >> disrespect for others here on the Rhodes
> >>
> >>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>> That individual was ultimately
> >>>>>>>
> >> relieved of his status here and
> >>
> >>>> thankfully
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> no longer a member. I
> recommend that
> >>>>>>>
> >> this troll be sanctioned and no
> >>
> >>>>>>> longer
> >>>>>>> be allowed to participate in
> our
> >>>>>>>
> >> otherwise polite and courteous
> >>
> >>>> exchange
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> sailing and/or other topics.
> He has
> >>>>>>>
> >> disrupted our list for too long
> >>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>> caused too many arguments for
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >> rest of us to be comfortable with
> >>
> >>>>>>> posting
> >>>>>>> our usual thoughts on any
> given topic
> >>>>>>>
> >> without being lambasted with his
> >>
> >>>>>>> vitriol. He continues to
> insult
> >>>>>>>
> >> anyone and everyone who disagrees with
> >>
> >>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>> positions and in doing so has
> created
> >>>>>>>
> >> an environment of hostility that
> >>
> >>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>> made the Rhodes list a den of
> venom.
> >>>>>>>
> >> I'm referring to Herb Parsons. I
> >>
> >>>>>>> ask
> >>>>>>> that you consider removing him
> from
> >>>>>>>
> >> our group. He contributes little
> >>
> >>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> than arguments and stifles
> many from
> >>>>>>>
> >> contributing to this wonderful
> >>
> >>>>>>> forum.
> >>>>>>> I want him out!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steve Alm aka
> "Slim"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
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