[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

[Michael D. Weisner]

Herb,

What facts would that be?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 
2008 4:16 PM
> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
>
>
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is required by the rules of "da list", 
>> the
>> filter could be set to trash all email with "Herb Parsons" in the body. 
>> Of
>> course, those of you who use digest format will not see any mail at all,
>> since a day does not go by without a response from or about Herb.  Herb, 
>> do
>> ya feel the love?
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 
>> 2008
>> 12:47 PM
>>
>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it seems like a good idea, but I can't 
>>>> seem
>>>> to
>>>> make it work.   The main problem is that on my machine list-serve 
>>>> emails
>>>> are
>>>>
>>> >from "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb Parsons.  Can you 
>>> >suggest
>>>
>>>> a
>>>> solution that will work with Outlook's rules manager?
>>>>
>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
>>>
>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail headers from the list will reveal
>>> that the "From:" header is always the sender's address (not the list
>>> address).  However, it gets more complicated under the hood.  There
>>> is a second "from" header called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
>>> shown as the "return-path" or "from" header) and that will be the
>>> list address.  Think about it like a postal letter with one return
>>> address on the envelope, but a different one on the letter inside.
>>>
>>> My test with an old version of Outlook Express filtered list mail
>>> based on the "From:" address, not the list address.  However, it may
>>> be that newer versions (or full Outlook) actually use the SMTP
>>> envelope address as "from" in the filter rules, which is not helpful
>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you filter in that case.  The problem
>>> for email software developers is that mail headers are easily forged,
>>> so it's difficult to decide which to filter and which to present to a
>>> user without confusion.
>>>
>>> 2) If you are reading the digest version of the list, sorry, there's
>>> not much you can do.  The digested compilations are addressed from
>>> the list server and not an individual.   You'll just have to mentally
>>> skip the parts that you don't want to read.  Alternatively, turn
>>> Digest mode off and then you can filter more precisely (unless you're
>>> hobbled by Outlook).
>>>
>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of Outlook Express and tried a
>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list mail as expected by "From:"
>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the list, pulled down the
>>> "Message" menu and clicked "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your procedure based on the version
>>> of Outlook you have.
>>>
>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is speculation based on a quick review
>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who are proficient in Outlook can
>>> fill in the details.
>>>
>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on spam filters) will give you more
>>> precise filtering options.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> John Lock
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
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