[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

[Herb Parsons]

Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.


Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is required by the rules of "da list", the 
> filter could be set to trash all email with "Herb Parsons" in the body.  Of 
> course, those of you who use digest format will not see any mail at all, 
> since a day does not go by without a response from or about Herb.  Herb, do 
> ya feel the love?
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 
> 12:47 PM
>   
>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>>     
>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it seems like a good idea, but I can't seem 
>>> to
>>> make it work.   The main problem is that on my machine list-serve emails 
>>> are
>>>       
>> >from "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb Parsons.  Can you suggest 
>>     
>>> a
>>> solution that will work with Outlook's rules manager?
>>>       
>> OK, a few things to cover here -
>>
>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail headers from the list will reveal
>> that the "From:" header is always the sender's address (not the list
>> address).  However, it gets more complicated under the hood.  There
>> is a second "from" header called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
>> shown as the "return-path" or "from" header) and that will be the
>> list address.  Think about it like a postal letter with one return
>> address on the envelope, but a different one on the letter inside.
>>
>> My test with an old version of Outlook Express filtered list mail
>> based on the "From:" address, not the list address.  However, it may
>> be that newer versions (or full Outlook) actually use the SMTP
>> envelope address as "from" in the filter rules, which is not helpful
>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you filter in that case.  The problem
>> for email software developers is that mail headers are easily forged,
>> so it's difficult to decide which to filter and which to present to a
>> user without confusion.
>>
>> 2) If you are reading the digest version of the list, sorry, there's
>> not much you can do.  The digested compilations are addressed from
>> the list server and not an individual.   You'll just have to mentally
>> skip the parts that you don't want to read.  Alternatively, turn
>> Digest mode off and then you can filter more precisely (unless you're
>> hobbled by Outlook).
>>
>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of Outlook Express and tried a
>> quick test.  It seems to filter list mail as expected by "From:"
>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the list, pulled down the
>> "Message" menu and clicked "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
>> thing.  You might need to adjust your procedure based on the version
>> of Outlook you have.
>>
>> I don't use Outlook, so this is speculation based on a quick review
>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who are proficient in Outlook can
>> fill in the details.
>>
>> Also, other mail software (or add-on spam filters) will give you more
>> precise filtering options.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> John Lock
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
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