[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin: ENOUGH

[elle]

Why don't you guys just continue this OFF-LIST. 

You can pick & snipe as much as you like spare the rest of us.

Any reason why not?

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 4:38 PM
> Read your message bud, you posted it. See if you can vette
> all of the 
> information yourself. Learn some manners, come back with a
> new attitude, 
> see what happens.
> 
> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > What facts would that be?
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 
> > 2008 4:16 PM
> >   
> >> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is required
> by the rules of "da list", 
> >>> the
> >>> filter could be set to trash all email with
> "Herb Parsons" in the body. 
> >>> Of
> >>> course, those of you who use digest format
> will not see any mail at all,
> >>> since a day does not go by without a response
> from or about Herb.  Herb, 
> >>> do
> >>> ya feel the love?
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>> From: "John Lock"
> <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 
> >>> 2008
> >>> 12:47 PM
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it seems
> like a good idea, but I can't 
> >>>>> seem
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> make it work.   The main problem is
> that on my machine list-serve 
> >>>>> emails
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           
> >>>> >from
> "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb
> Parsons.  Can you 
> >>>>         
> >>>>> suggest
> >>>>>           
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> solution that will work with
> Outlook's rules manager?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>           
> >>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail headers
> from the list will reveal
> >>>> that the "From:" header is
> always the sender's address (not the list
> >>>> address).  However, it gets more
> complicated under the hood.  There
> >>>> is a second "from" header called
> the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
> >>>> shown as the "return-path" or
> "from" header) and that will be the
> >>>> list address.  Think about it like a
> postal letter with one return
> >>>> address on the envelope, but a different
> one on the letter inside.
> >>>>
> >>>> My test with an old version of Outlook
> Express filtered list mail
> >>>> based on the "From:" address,
> not the list address.  However, it may
> >>>> be that newer versions (or full Outlook)
> actually use the SMTP
> >>>> envelope address as "from" in
> the filter rules, which is not helpful
> >>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you filter
> in that case.  The problem
> >>>> for email software developers is that mail
> headers are easily forged,
> >>>> so it's difficult to decide which to
> filter and which to present to a
> >>>> user without confusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) If you are reading the digest version
> of the list, sorry, there's
> >>>> not much you can do.  The digested
> compilations are addressed from
> >>>> the list server and not an individual.  
> You'll just have to mentally
> >>>> skip the parts that you don't want to
> read.  Alternatively, turn
> >>>> Digest mode off and then you can filter
> more precisely (unless you're
> >>>> hobbled by Outlook).
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of
> Outlook Express and tried a
> >>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list mail
> as expected by "From:"
> >>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the
> list, pulled down the
> >>>> "Message" menu and clicked
> "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
> >>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your
> procedure based on the version
> >>>> of Outlook you have.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is
> speculation based on a quick review
> >>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who are
> proficient in Outlook can
> >>>> fill in the details.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on spam
> filters) will give you more
> >>>> precise filtering options.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>>
> >>>> John Lock
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>
> >>>>
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