[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

Thu Nov 13 17:18:24 EST 2008

Coming late to this one it looks like...

Slim, though I agree with most of what you say, I'm afraid I can't
agree this time.

I know I helped trigger the most recent blow up.  I don't agree with
much of what comes from the right of center crowd.  I've written then
deleted far more angry retorts than I've ever sent.  I won't retract
what I sent this time, but I will agree that there wasn't much point
in sending it, since it's not my intent to change anyone's beliefs.

But as much as I dislike the tone of some of what is posted (content
is usually not the issue), I can't agree that people aren't entitled
to their opinions or their reactions to others' opinions.  We'd all be
smart to temper our replies and let disagreements drop if they can't
be argued rationally, and I'll make that note to self.

The rules of this bar are that we come together on sailing but talk
about whatever we feel like.  We have a pretty clear cross-section of
the political spectrum here, and just like in real life, some pretty
vocal people in the two tails of the bell curve.

The only people I've actually seen thrown out of bars were either
underaged, too drunk to stay, or starting a fist fight.  I don't think
we're at that point.

I do think we all owe it to Stan to make this bar a positive
experience for the Rhodes 22 brand.

My two cents.

Dave

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> Herb,
>
> What facts would that be?
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> 2008 4:16 PM
>> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is required by the rules of "da list",
>>> the
>>> filter could be set to trash all email with "Herb Parsons" in the body.
>>> Of
>>> course, those of you who use digest format will not see any mail at all,
>>> since a day does not go by without a response from or about Herb.  Herb,
>>> do
>>> ya feel the love?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>>> 2008
>>> 12:47 PM
>>>
>>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it seems like a good idea, but I can't
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> make it work.   The main problem is that on my machine list-serve
>>>>> emails
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>> >from "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb Parsons.  Can you
>>>> >suggest
>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> solution that will work with Outlook's rules manager?
>>>>>
>>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
>>>>
>>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail headers from the list will reveal
>>>> that the "From:" header is always the sender's address (not the list
>>>> address).  However, it gets more complicated under the hood.  There
>>>> is a second "from" header called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
>>>> shown as the "return-path" or "from" header) and that will be the
>>>> list address.  Think about it like a postal letter with one return
>>>> address on the envelope, but a different one on the letter inside.
>>>>
>>>> My test with an old version of Outlook Express filtered list mail
>>>> based on the "From:" address, not the list address.  However, it may
>>>> be that newer versions (or full Outlook) actually use the SMTP
>>>> envelope address as "from" in the filter rules, which is not helpful
>>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you filter in that case.  The problem
>>>> for email software developers is that mail headers are easily forged,
>>>> so it's difficult to decide which to filter and which to present to a
>>>> user without confusion.
>>>>
>>>> 2) If you are reading the digest version of the list, sorry, there's
>>>> not much you can do.  The digested compilations are addressed from
>>>> the list server and not an individual.   You'll just have to mentally
>>>> skip the parts that you don't want to read.  Alternatively, turn
>>>> Digest mode off and then you can filter more precisely (unless you're
>>>> hobbled by Outlook).
>>>>
>>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of Outlook Express and tried a
>>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list mail as expected by "From:"
>>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the list, pulled down the
>>>> "Message" menu and clicked "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
>>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your procedure based on the version
>>>> of Outlook you have.
>>>>
>>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is speculation based on a quick review
>>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who are proficient in Outlook can
>>>> fill in the details.
>>>>
>>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on spam filters) will give you more
>>>> precise filtering options.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> John Lock
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
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