[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

Fri Nov 14 16:50:34 EST 2008

I'll post one more message on this topic and then try my best to give
it a rest.  Although I got some agreement nobody seems to want to bump
Herb so I'll be OK with that.  The community has spoken and I respect
that.  I've enjoyed this list for all these years and I don't want to
leave but neither do I really want to be on a list where I delete most
of it.  There was a time when I read and enjoyed nearly every post but
"da list" seems to have deteriorated.  My own attitude included.  (I
especially miss the days when I could share music with y'all via KSLM
radio but the laws have changed and I can no longer legally do that.)
So if you'll excuse me I think I'll just go sit at the other end of
the bar and watch the band for a while.  Maybe cut a rug and burn off
some steam.  Maybe they'll even let me sit in and jam.

Have a nice day.

Slim

On 11/13/08, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Coming late to this one it looks like...
>
> Slim, though I agree with most of what you say, I'm afraid I can't
> agree this time.
>
> I know I helped trigger the most recent blow up.  I don't agree with
> much of what comes from the right of center crowd.  I've written then
> deleted far more angry retorts than I've ever sent.  I won't retract
> what I sent this time, but I will agree that there wasn't much point
> in sending it, since it's not my intent to change anyone's beliefs.
>
> But as much as I dislike the tone of some of what is posted (content
> is usually not the issue), I can't agree that people aren't entitled
> to their opinions or their reactions to others' opinions.  We'd all be
> smart to temper our replies and let disagreements drop if they can't
> be argued rationally, and I'll make that note to self.
>
> The rules of this bar are that we come together on sailing but talk
> about whatever we feel like.  We have a pretty clear cross-section of
> the political spectrum here, and just like in real life, some pretty
> vocal people in the two tails of the bell curve.
>
> The only people I've actually seen thrown out of bars were either
> underaged, too drunk to stay, or starting a fist fight.  I don't think
> we're at that point.
>
> I do think we all owe it to Stan to make this bar a positive
> experience for the Rhodes 22 brand.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>> Herb,
>>
>> What facts would that be?
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>> 2008 4:16 PM
>>> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is required by the rules of "da list",
>>>> the
>>>> filter could be set to trash all email with "Herb Parsons" in the body.
>>>> Of
>>>> course, those of you who use digest format will not see any mail at all,
>>>> since a day does not go by without a response from or about Herb.  Herb,
>>>> do
>>>> ya feel the love?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>> From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
>>>> 2008
>>>> 12:47 PM
>>>>
>>>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it seems like a good idea, but I can't
>>>>>> seem
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make it work.   The main problem is that on my machine list-serve
>>>>>> emails
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>> >from "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb Parsons.  Can you
>>>>> >suggest
>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> solution that will work with Outlook's rules manager?
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail headers from the list will reveal
>>>>> that the "From:" header is always the sender's address (not the list
>>>>> address).  However, it gets more complicated under the hood.  There
>>>>> is a second "from" header called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
>>>>> shown as the "return-path" or "from" header) and that will be the
>>>>> list address.  Think about it like a postal letter with one return
>>>>> address on the envelope, but a different one on the letter inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> My test with an old version of Outlook Express filtered list mail
>>>>> based on the "From:" address, not the list address.  However, it may
>>>>> be that newer versions (or full Outlook) actually use the SMTP
>>>>> envelope address as "from" in the filter rules, which is not helpful
>>>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you filter in that case.  The problem
>>>>> for email software developers is that mail headers are easily forged,
>>>>> so it's difficult to decide which to filter and which to present to a
>>>>> user without confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) If you are reading the digest version of the list, sorry, there's
>>>>> not much you can do.  The digested compilations are addressed from
>>>>> the list server and not an individual.   You'll just have to mentally
>>>>> skip the parts that you don't want to read.  Alternatively, turn
>>>>> Digest mode off and then you can filter more precisely (unless you're
>>>>> hobbled by Outlook).
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of Outlook Express and tried a
>>>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list mail as expected by "From:"
>>>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the list, pulled down the
>>>>> "Message" menu and clicked "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
>>>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your procedure based on the version
>>>>> of Outlook you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is speculation based on a quick review
>>>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who are proficient in Outlook can
>>>>> fill in the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on spam filters) will give you more
>>>>> precise filtering options.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Lock
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
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