[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Fri Nov 14 17:29:34 EST 2008 

Let's hope that the perpetrators of the last go-round will back off and respect the rest of the list if another contentious debate rears its ugly head.

Again, I see no reason that they have to subject the rest of us to spite and vitriol; they can take it off list if they cannot stick to the issues (which I suspect will end the debate rather quickly.) Without spectators, such things tend to die a deserving death.

Case in point: one of my daughters went through a 'drama queen' phase at about 18 mos of age. She could play in the family room while I worked in the kitchen. She took a tumble ( harmless) which I observed...but she couldn't see me. She looked around, didn't see me, picked herself up & went on with her play.

A few minutes later I looked into the room through the door she had initially peered through.

Upon seeing me, she just let go with her saddest 'poor me' wailing. 

Please don't go too far down the bar,Slim. too many good folk are bailing.

elle



We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 4:50 PM
> I'll post one more message on this topic and then try my
> best to give
> it a rest.  Although I got some agreement nobody seems to
> want to bump
> Herb so I'll be OK with that.  The community has spoken
> and I respect
> that.  I've enjoyed this list for all these years and I
> don't want to
> leave but neither do I really want to be on a list where I
> delete most
> of it.  There was a time when I read and enjoyed nearly
> every post but
> "da list" seems to have deteriorated.  My own
> attitude included.  (I
> especially miss the days when I could share music with
> y'all via KSLM
> radio but the laws have changed and I can no longer legally
> do that.)
> So if you'll excuse me I think I'll just go sit at
> the other end of
> the bar and watch the band for a while.  Maybe cut a rug
> and burn off
> some steam.  Maybe they'll even let me sit in and jam.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> Slim
> 
> 
> On 11/13/08, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Coming late to this one it looks like...
> >
> > Slim, though I agree with most of what you say,
> I'm afraid I can't
> > agree this time.
> >
> > I know I helped trigger the most recent blow up.  I
> don't agree with
> > much of what comes from the right of center crowd. 
> I've written then
> > deleted far more angry retorts than I've ever
> sent.  I won't retract
> > what I sent this time, but I will agree that there
> wasn't much point
> > in sending it, since it's not my intent to change
> anyone's beliefs.
> >
> > But as much as I dislike the tone of some of what is
> posted (content
> > is usually not the issue), I can't agree that
> people aren't entitled
> > to their opinions or their reactions to others'
> opinions.  We'd all be
> > smart to temper our replies and let disagreements drop
> if they can't
> > be argued rationally, and I'll make that note to
> self.
> >
> > The rules of this bar are that we come together on
> sailing but talk
> > about whatever we feel like.  We have a pretty clear
> cross-section of
> > the political spectrum here, and just like in real
> life, some pretty
> > vocal people in the two tails of the bell curve.
> >
> > The only people I've actually seen thrown out of
> bars were either
> > underaged, too drunk to stay, or starting a fist
> fight.  I don't think
> > we're at that point.
> >
> > I do think we all owe it to Stan to make this bar a
> positive
> > experience for the Rhodes 22 brand.
> >
> > My two cents.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Michael D. Weisner
> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> What facts would that be?
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >> From: "Herb Parsons"
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> >> 2008 4:16 PM
> >>> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> >>>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is
> required by the rules of "da list",
> >>>> the
> >>>> filter could be set to trash all email
> with "Herb Parsons" in the body.
> >>>> Of
> >>>> course, those of you who use digest format
> will not see any mail at all,
> >>>> since a day does not go by without a
> response from or about Herb.  Herb,
> >>>> do
> >>>> ya feel the love?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "John Lock"
> <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> >>>> 2008
> >>>> 12:47 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it
> seems like a good idea, but I can't
> >>>>>> seem
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>> make it work.   The main problem
> is that on my machine list-serve
> >>>>>> emails
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >from
> "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb
> Parsons.  Can you
> >>>>> >suggest
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> solution that will work with
> Outlook's rules manager?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail
> headers from the list will reveal
> >>>>> that the "From:" header is
> always the sender's address (not the list
> >>>>> address).  However, it gets more
> complicated under the hood.  There
> >>>>> is a second "from" header
> called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
> >>>>> shown as the "return-path"
> or "from" header) and that will be the
> >>>>> list address.  Think about it like a
> postal letter with one return
> >>>>> address on the envelope, but a
> different one on the letter inside.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My test with an old version of Outlook
> Express filtered list mail
> >>>>> based on the "From:"
> address, not the list address.  However, it may
> >>>>> be that newer versions (or full
> Outlook) actually use the SMTP
> >>>>> envelope address as "from"
> in the filter rules, which is not helpful
> >>>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you
> filter in that case.  The problem
> >>>>> for email software developers is that
> mail headers are easily forged,
> >>>>> so it's difficult to decide which
> to filter and which to present to a
> >>>>> user without confusion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2) If you are reading the digest
> version of the list, sorry, there's
> >>>>> not much you can do.  The digested
> compilations are addressed from
> >>>>> the list server and not an individual.
>   You'll just have to mentally
> >>>>> skip the parts that you don't want
> to read.  Alternatively, turn
> >>>>> Digest mode off and then you can
> filter more precisely (unless you're
> >>>>> hobbled by Outlook).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of
> Outlook Express and tried a
> >>>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list
> mail as expected by "From:"
> >>>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the
> list, pulled down the
> >>>>> "Message" menu and clicked
> "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
> >>>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your
> procedure based on the version
> >>>>> of Outlook you have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is
> speculation based on a quick review
> >>>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who
> are proficient in Outlook can
> >>>>> fill in the details.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on
> spam filters) will give you more
> >>>>> precise filtering options.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John Lock
> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> >>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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