[Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at gmail.com
Sat Nov 15 07:37:31 EST 2008 

Slim, Hang in there! I hope you stay around.

Wally

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:29 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Let's hope that the perpetrators of the last go-round will back off and
> respect the rest of the list if another contentious debate rears its ugly
> head.
>
> Again, I see no reason that they have to subject the rest of us to spite
> and vitriol; they can take it off list if they cannot stick to the issues
> (which I suspect will end the debate rather quickly.) Without spectators,
> such things tend to die a deserving death.
>
> Case in point: one of my daughters went through a 'drama queen' phase at
> about 18 mos of age. She could play in the family room while I worked in the
> kitchen. She took a tumble ( harmless) which I observed...but she couldn't
> see me. She looked around, didn't see me, picked herself up & went on with
> her play.
>
> A few minutes later I looked into the room through the door she had
> initially peered through.
>
> Upon seeing me, she just let go with her saddest 'poor me' wailing.
>
> Please don't go too far down the bar,Slim. too many good folk are bailing.
>
> elle
>
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Complaint to List Admin
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 4:50 PM
>  > I'll post one more message on this topic and then try my
> > best to give
> > it a rest.  Although I got some agreement nobody seems to
> > want to bump
> > Herb so I'll be OK with that.  The community has spoken
> > and I respect
> > that.  I've enjoyed this list for all these years and I
> > don't want to
> > leave but neither do I really want to be on a list where I
> > delete most
> > of it.  There was a time when I read and enjoyed nearly
> > every post but
> > "da list" seems to have deteriorated.  My own
> > attitude included.  (I
> > especially miss the days when I could share music with
> > y'all via KSLM
> > radio but the laws have changed and I can no longer legally
> > do that.)
> > So if you'll excuse me I think I'll just go sit at
> > the other end of
> > the bar and watch the band for a while.  Maybe cut a rug
> > and burn off
> > some steam.  Maybe they'll even let me sit in and jam.
> >
> > Have a nice day.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> >
> > On 11/13/08, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Coming late to this one it looks like...
> > >
> > > Slim, though I agree with most of what you say,
> > I'm afraid I can't
> > > agree this time.
> > >
> > > I know I helped trigger the most recent blow up.  I
> > don't agree with
> > > much of what comes from the right of center crowd.
> > I've written then
> > > deleted far more angry retorts than I've ever
> > sent.  I won't retract
> > > what I sent this time, but I will agree that there
> > wasn't much point
> > > in sending it, since it's not my intent to change
> > anyone's beliefs.
> > >
> > > But as much as I dislike the tone of some of what is
> > posted (content
> > > is usually not the issue), I can't agree that
> > people aren't entitled
> > > to their opinions or their reactions to others'
> > opinions.  We'd all be
> > > smart to temper our replies and let disagreements drop
> > if they can't
> > > be argued rationally, and I'll make that note to
> > self.
> > >
> > > The rules of this bar are that we come together on
> > sailing but talk
> > > about whatever we feel like.  We have a pretty clear
> > cross-section of
> > > the political spectrum here, and just like in real
> > life, some pretty
> > > vocal people in the two tails of the bell curve.
> > >
> > > The only people I've actually seen thrown out of
> > bars were either
> > > underaged, too drunk to stay, or starting a fist
> > fight.  I don't think
> > > we're at that point.
> > >
> > > I do think we all owe it to Stan to make this bar a
> > positive
> > > experience for the Rhodes 22 brand.
> > >
> > > My two cents.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Michael D. Weisner
> > <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Herb,
> > >>
> > >> What facts would that be?
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>
> > >> From: "Herb Parsons"
> > <hparsons at parsonsys.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> > >> 2008 4:16 PM
> > >>> Sorry Mike, your facts are in error.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > >>>> Maybe if Herb signed his posts as is
> > required by the rules of "da list",
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> filter could be set to trash all email
> > with "Herb Parsons" in the body.
> > >>>> Of
> > >>>> course, those of you who use digest format
> > will not see any mail at all,
> > >>>> since a day does not go by without a
> > response from or about Herb.  Herb,
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> ya feel the love?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike
> > >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>>
> > >>>> From: "John Lock"
> > <jlock at relevantarts.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13,
> > >>>> 2008
> > >>>> 12:47 PM
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> At 11:12 AM 11/13/2008 -0500, you
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion and it
> > seems like a good idea, but I can't
> > >>>>>> seem
> > >>>>>> to
> > >>>>>> make it work.   The main problem
> > is that on my machine list-serve
> > >>>>>> emails
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> >from
> > "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org", not from Herb
> > Parsons.  Can you
> > >>>>> >suggest
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> a
> > >>>>>> solution that will work with
> > Outlook's rules manager?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> OK, a few things to cover here -
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 1) A careful review of the e-mail
> > headers from the list will reveal
> > >>>>> that the "From:" header is
> > always the sender's address (not the list
> > >>>>> address).  However, it gets more
> > complicated under the hood.  There
> > >>>>> is a second "from" header
> > called the SMTP envelope sender (sometimes
> > >>>>> shown as the "return-path"
> > or "from" header) and that will be the
> > >>>>> list address.  Think about it like a
> > postal letter with one return
> > >>>>> address on the envelope, but a
> > different one on the letter inside.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My test with an old version of Outlook
> > Express filtered list mail
> > >>>>> based on the "From:"
> > address, not the list address.  However, it may
> > >>>>> be that newer versions (or full
> > Outlook) actually use the SMTP
> > >>>>> envelope address as "from"
> > in the filter rules, which is not helpful
> > >>>>> for this purpose.  Not sure how you
> > filter in that case.  The problem
> > >>>>> for email software developers is that
> > mail headers are easily forged,
> > >>>>> so it's difficult to decide which
> > to filter and which to present to a
> > >>>>> user without confusion.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2) If you are reading the digest
> > version of the list, sorry, there's
> > >>>>> not much you can do.  The digested
> > compilations are addressed from
> > >>>>> the list server and not an individual.
> >   You'll just have to mentally
> > >>>>> skip the parts that you don't want
> > to read.  Alternatively, turn
> > >>>>> Digest mode off and then you can
> > filter more precisely (unless you're
> > >>>>> hobbled by Outlook).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3) I fired up my old, unused copy of
> > Outlook Express and tried a
> > >>>>> quick test.  It seems to filter list
> > mail as expected by "From:"
> > >>>>> address.   I opened an e-mail from the
> > list, pulled down the
> > >>>>> "Message" menu and clicked
> > "Block Sender".   Seemed to do the right
> > >>>>> thing.  You might need to adjust your
> > procedure based on the version
> > >>>>> of Outlook you have.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I don't use Outlook, so this is
> > speculation based on a quick review
> > >>>>> of my dormant copy.  Maybe folks who
> > are proficient in Outlook can
> > >>>>> fill in the details.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, other mail software (or add-on
> > spam filters) will give you more
> > >>>>> precise filtering options.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> John Lock
> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > >>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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