[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response

pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net
Thu Nov 20 13:35:36 EST 2008 

Herb,

If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't you
always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does or says?
 Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop to
someone else's level?  If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.  Perhaps
that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.  Stay above
the fray.  You're better than that.

Paul

> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and look
> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change in what
> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions rationally. I
> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>
> Robert Skinner wrote:
>> You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>>
>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>> your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.
>>
>> /Robert
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> Hank wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a reasonable
>>> response
>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then you get
>>> huffy
>>> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right to bitch
>>> about
>>> anyone else's posts.
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>
>>>> /Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking about Palin
>>>>> not
>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician is
>>>>> elected.
>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90% margin,
>>>>> he's
>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>>>>> commitments
>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that, I'll be
>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will. That's why
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>>
>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he will be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied" promises. He
>>>>> was
>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the minority and
>>>>> give
>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more than he
>>>>> will
>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
>>>>> reporting
>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of their gas
>>>>> bill
>>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied promise" was
>>>>> that
>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in Afghanistan and
>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>>
>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing followers,
>>>>> it
>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will literally
>>>>> be
>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a mess like
>>>>> what
>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there that I
>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>>
>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding "success"
>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach as a
>>>>> nation
>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the mountains of
>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq, we surely
>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not succeed in
>>>>> one
>>>>> term..."
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did when I
>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing what he
>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and someone
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after hearing Palin's
>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect a lack
>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not receive a
>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like him and
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>> he
>>>>
>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to overlook what
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying about him
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>
>>>> then.
>>>>
>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities, he let a
>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal result
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>> our
>>>>
>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large part
>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in dealing
>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and deep
>>>>>>> thinker
>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's already made
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and "talk".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from the far
>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an "orator"
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her (negatively)
>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way they did her
>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and they
>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Carter!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good Christian
>>>>>>>>> man,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and deep
>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and haven't done
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence on Gov.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Palin's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people do your
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> thinking
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in Chicago,
>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> can
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by a
>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the country, I
>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my family,
>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader with a
>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes can be
>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily surprised
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some final words
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> relevance to me
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the dictators and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> corruption
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the relevance
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Alaska's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about, well, gee,
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> it a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this issue."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place (and so are
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> few other
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
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