[Rhodes22-list] Political....this is interesting.

Tom Hogarty tjhogarty at gmail.com
Fri Nov 21 18:24:43 EST 2008 

Brad,
Thanks for clearing that up.
Tom

Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> "Died on the docket"?
> 
> Er, not exactly.  Souter refused to hear it so now Clarence Thomas has
> it scheduled for conference for December 5th.  Thomas?  Keyes?  Oh,
> the irony!
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So the court case about Obama's legal status died on the docket.  Here's
>> what
>> happened to the case against Cheney.
>> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00EEDC1E3CF93BA35751C1A9669C8B63
>> Cheney wouldn't qualify for a Wyoming fishing license, but was legal
>> enough
>> for VP.
>> Tom Hogarty
>>
>>
>>
>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>> Hank;
>>>
>>> Once a matter has been concluded in a lower court anybody can APPLY for
>>> a
>>> writ to the Supremes. The key here is to read the docket entries. The
>>> Court did not accept the case, and the election commission doesn't even
>>> have to respond to the application. Trust me,(and I know you have no
>>> reason to) the matter is DEAD. (at least as far as the US Supremes and
>>> that case are concerned.)
>>>
>>> Brad may be right, the "truth"may be "out there" (see,"The X Files"),
>>> but
>>> as far as the courts are concerned the matter is not worth the effort.
>>> No
>>> case. no controversey, no there...there.
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> How is it just not important when it is now on the docket of the US.
>>>> Supreme
>>>> Court. If it is relevant to them, then it is certainly relevant to us.
>>>>
>>>> http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
>>>>
>>>> Hank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Ben Cittadino
>>>> <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul;
>>>>>
>>>>> The point of my post (other than to get a rise out of
>>>>> Brad,...."Mission
>>>>> Accomplished") was to suggest that there are always a relatively small
>>>>> number  of people who will fight anything, no matter how obvious it is
>>>>> that
>>>>> they are wasting their time. (I believe the "Flat Earth Society" still
>>>>> exists). The Obama citizenship issue hasn't gotten to "this point" or
>>>>> "this
>>>>> level" with anybody who (forgive me) "matters". America is getting
>>>>> ready
>>>>> to
>>>>> celebrate this electoral result.  Alan Keyes is no longer a serious
>>>>> person
>>>>> (my opinion) and his traveling side show only succeeds in certain,
>>>>> shall
>>>>> we
>>>>> say, backwaters, of American culture. I don't know exactly when the
>>>>> elevator
>>>>> stopped going all the way to the top floor with that guy, but he has
>>>>> definitely undergone some major cerebral malfunction (again my
>>>>> opinion).
>>>>> Other lawsuits making the same claims have already been tossed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look, people who want to get all worked up over this issue have my
>>>>> blessing.
>>>>> It's a free country.  But as we stand on the threshold of a new
>>>>> administration which will have to deal immediately with only about 496
>>>>> crucial, life and death, FUTURE OF AMERICA issues, the question of Mr.
>>>>> Obama's citizenship is just not important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben S. please don't send any "offensive" jokes by way of the list, but
>>>>> a
>>>>> back-channel communication is just fine. You have my email address.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best;
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> pdgrand wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ben,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I understand where you're going with that, but the underlying
>>>>> question
>>>>> is
>>>>> > why has it even gotten to this point?  Everyone seems to agree that
>>>>> > proving your citizenship is a very simple and easy thing to do if
>>>>> you
>>>>> are
>>>>> > indeed a citizen.  So, why hasn't he done it?  Why let something
>>>>> like
>>>>> this
>>>>> > spin to this level?  It just doesn't make any sense.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Paul
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Bill;
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I suppose it's possible that a space ship landed in the American
>>>>> >> southwest
>>>>> >> in "Area 51" in the 1950's but it's so unlikely that nobody cares,
>>>>> except
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> few UFO enthusiasts who entertain themselves and their friends with
>>>>> wild
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> silly conspiracy theories;
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Elvis Presley is alive and working as
>>>>> a
>>>>> gas
>>>>> >> station attendant having escaped his pressure cooker life as a
>>>>> celebrity
>>>>> >> but
>>>>> >> it's so unlikely that nobody cares, except a few Presley
>>>>> enthusiasts
>>>>> who
>>>>> >> entertain themselves and their friends with wild and silly
>>>>> conspiracy
>>>>> >> theories;
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I suppose it's possible that Barack Obama is covering up the fact
>>>>> that
>>>>> he
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> not a natural born American citizen but it's so unlikely that
>>>>> nobody
>>>>> >> cares,
>>>>> >> except.....(well, you get the idea).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm "Jones'n" for a good Sarah Palin joke. Are they all gone?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Ben C.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Bill Effros wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Herb,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> If Obama were born in Hawaii it would appear he had 3
>>>>> citizenships,
>>>>> US
>>>>> >>> by virtue of his place of birth; English because his father had
>>>>> >>> commonwealth status; and Indonesian by virtue of his attendance at
>>>>> >>> Indonesian schools at which his citizenship was stated as
>>>>> Indonesian.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Indonesia required citizens of other countries to give up all
>>>>> other
>>>>> >>> citizenships before they could enjoy the benefits of Indonesian
>>>>> >>> citizenship -- like passports and schooling.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Obama could have reclaimed his American Citizenship, as many on
>>>>> this
>>>>> >>> list have reported they have done, but it does not appear he has
>>>>> done
>>>>> >>> so.  This step, and officially changing his name back to "Barack
>>>>> Hussein
>>>>> >>> Obama" would seem to be the minimum requirements for running and
>>>>> serving
>>>>> >>> as "President Barack Hussein Obama".
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There would remain the question of "natural born citizen", but
>>>>> >>> reclaiming name and citizenship would seem to be necessary first.
>>>>>  There
>>>>> >>> is no indication he has done either.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> When Republicans indicated an interest in running citizen Arnold
>>>>> >>> Schwarznegger for President Democrats let them know in no
>>>>> uncertain
>>>>> >>> terms that only "natural born citizens" need apply for the job of
>>>>> >>> President.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> The current situation is commonly referred to as "repayment in
>>>>> kind."
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Bill Effros
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>> >>>> Believe it or not, I have a problem with Dr. Keye's lawsuit in
>>>>> >>>> particular, and the whole "not a citizen" issue in general.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> First of all, IF Barak was not a citizen when he was born, that
>>>>> puts
>>>>> >>>> everything in a different light (and I think that's a
>>>>> possibility,
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> >>>> not convinced one way or another at this point).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> However, if he was born a US citizen, I think the notion that his
>>>>> >>>> parents may have taken that away by their later actions is wrong.
>>>>> If
>>>>> >>>> it's technically correct, I still think it's wrong. No one should
>>>>> be
>>>>> >>>> able to take away a US citizen's birthright, unless THAT citizen
>>>>> has
>>>>> >>>> done something to lose it.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Rummy,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Don't forget the Alan Keyes lawsuit filed November 12 in
>>>>> California
>>>>> >>>>> where Dr. Keyes was on the ballot.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> What's interesting about the Keyes lawsuit is the question it
>>>>> raises
>>>>> >>>>> about the trip to Pakistan (illegal for US citizens at the
>>>>> time).
>>>>>  Did
>>>>> >>>>> O just break the law or was he traveling on a foreign passport?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> Brad
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:09 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
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