[Rhodes22-list] Andrew, Elle & Herb, comments on your posts.
John Shulick
jsbudda at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 00:43:46 EST 2008
Actually I think one could be mayor of some some pathetic y'allsville town as
well. Good luck on your next attempt.
hparsons wrote:
>
> I'd say the village has plenty of idiots to go around. I'd further say
> that those that think that a "village idiot" can become president of the
> US reveal a lot about their own mental acuity.
>
>
> John Shulick wrote:
>> Pot?
>>
>> I will give W credit for one thing, he has proven to be a shining example
>> showcasing the true greatness of our country and the strength of our
>> political system. Here in America even the village idiot can aspire to
>> and
>> become the President. Truly an amazing country we live in.
>>
>> John Shulick (skillet)
>>
>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Kettle,
>>> From pot: Probably the worst thing I have said about the current
>>> president
>>> is that he's the dumbest SOB that has ever held this office. I stand by
>>> that
>>> statement. I am sure history will prove me correct. It is my opinion and
>>> I
>>> am
>>> allowed to have one....as long as my wife tells me I can.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 12:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> Fair? LOL!
>>>
>>> There's few things fair in politics but we always hear about
>>> "fairness". Axlerod was on Fox News this morning saying the tax-hike
>>> for the "rich" will be delayed. Now that's smart economics but it
>>> will be another huge disappointment to the far lefties who thought
>>> they were electing a saint. Even in todays post you use the term
>>> "farce" which is much kinder than some of the other things you've said
>>> in the past eight years. I've been a helluva lot more accepting of
>>> Obama and wishing him success than you ever were W.
>>>
>>> Pot, meet kettle.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brad,
>>>> I'm sorry the your candidate didn't win the election, but I doubt that
>>>> it
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> fair to accuse the left of finally seeing that Mr. Obama can't do
>>>>
>>> everything
>>>
>>>> he has promised. The man isn't even in office yet and the "righties"
>>>> are
>>>> already pinning our current problems on him. After eight years of an
>>>> administration that really was a farce, at least give Obama four
>>>> years
>>>> to
>>>>
>>> try and rectify
>>>
>>>> the screw ups of this current administration.on Don't even try to
>>>> call
>>>>
>>> me a
>>>
>>>> lefty or a righty because I don't wear lapels that you can pin a
>>>> label
>>>>
>>> on.
>>>
>>>> I'm just an average "Joe" trying to get this country back on the
>>>> right
>>>>
>>> track.
>>>
>>>> The ultra right wing conservative nut jobs have run this country into
>>>> the
>>>> ground and now it needs fixing. Using the term conservative with the
>>>>
>>> current
>>>
>>>> administration is an insult to all true conservatives.
>>>> Hopefully the very first act Mr. Obama will sign will make stem cells
>>>> available for research. It might come in time to save a very good
>>>> friends
>>>>
>>> life. I
>>>
>>>> can't even begin to tell you how pissed off HE is at this president.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy.......time for a drink and football.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 8:24:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> Well, the chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. I don't envy
>>>> President-elect Obama and the problems he's been handed. Perhaps
>>>> Stan
>>>> is correct - is it too late to ask for a recount? It's been a lot of
>>>> fun watching the far left get their panties in a wad the last two
>>>> weeks after suddenly realizing that their Chosen One can't possibly
>>>> deliver on 10% of what he promised. Like most incoming Presidents,
>>>> he's stuck with a lot of policies handed to him from the previous
>>>> administration. He won't pull out of Iraq on his promised time
>>>> schedule, he won't find an easy solution to Afghanistan, and there is
>>>> no "magic bullet" for our current economic woes. There are no quick
>>>> solutions and my guess is that the current financial pain we're
>>>> suffering from will last a good bit longer. Throwing money at the
>>>> big
>>>> three automakers will only breathe a few months or years of life
>>>> into
>>>> a broken business model. Personally, I'd sure like a do-over on the
>>>> bank bailout. One can only hope that Obama is as smart as his
>>>> supporters have promised us he is - he'll need some smarts for sure.
>>>> So far he's picked some really good people, not all of them by any
>>>> means, but some.
>>>>
>>>> Attached is an article from the Houston Chronicle that does a pretty
>>>> good job of outlining our problems. It isn't easy being a
>>>> conservative these days, but I for one haven't given up hope.
>>>> Sometimes people need to be beaten about the head and shoulders for
>>>> the lessons to take hold, or as we say in flight training, "the
>>>> beatings will continue until morale improves".
>>>>
>>>> Unlike the far left for the past eight years, I'm not going to
>>>> berate
>>>> the President for his every little miss-step. I sincerely hope he is
>>>> The One. That said, I'm preparing just in case he isn't.
>>>>
>>>> On an unrelated note, did you know that the turkeys we eat for
>>>> Thanksgiving are actually killed? I've been laughing my ass off at
>>>> the "looney lefties" including the New York Times going berserk over
>>>> Sarah Palin giving an interview while turkeys were being processed in
>>>> the background. For someone supposedly headed for the "dustbin of
>>>> history", they sure pay a lot of attention to her every move.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> America's math problem yields no simple solutions
>>>> Much of the blame rests with government spending
>>>> By PAUL W. HOBBY
>>>> Nov. 21, 2008, 8:11PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So America can still amaze the world.
>>>>
>>>> Is the election of President-elect Barack Obama a blessed
>>>> self-correction or radical over-correction for the world's greatest
>>>> nation? We can't know just yet. But, no matter how you voted, we have
>>>> to close ranks as a nation at this moment in history, because the
>>>> tripod of American authority in the world is dangerously unstable.
>>>>
>>>> The tripod consists of moral authority, economic authority and
>>>> military authority. For reasons I need not detail, each of these legs
>>>> is stressed as they haven't been in a very long while. In large part
>>>> whether we succeed or fail in restoring our balance is about simple
>>>> arithmetic. A serious math problem lurks in the shadows that
>>>> heretofore neither party has been willing to address in a serious
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> Succinctly stated, the math problem is that the federal government
>>>> spends too much — a lot too much. The current deficit is a record
>>>> $455
>>>> billion (before the bailout). The national debt is $10.5 trillion.
>>>>
>>>> The reason for the inattention is that politics doesn't like math
>>>> problems. Speeches are easier, symbols are safe and personal
>>>> criticisms are the very best, because those things don't require
>>>> anything of us, the people. They don't require introspection, or
>>>> sacrifice or sober prioritization of needs and wants. But maybe, if
>>>> there is a moment for hard reality to emerge, it is at the end of a
>>>> political season. Just as it took a Southerner in LBJ to pass civil
>>>> rights reform, real spending reform may have to come from a Democrat
>>>> (LBJ had a balanced budget in 1969).
>>>>
>>>> Math problems are hard, but they undergird the universe. You cannot
>>>> outrun or outtalk or out organize the math problem any more than you
>>>> can outtalk or outrun physical gravity. This is a problem that
>>>> threatens the strength of our currency, inhibits the government's
>>>> ability to respond to the current fiscal crisis, and diverts precious
>>>> dollars from infrastructure, education and all forms of long-term
>>>> public investment.
>>>>
>>>> How did we get here? You know the answer at some level. We are all
>>>> guilty of wanting to consume now and pay later. Politics is forever
>>>> the struggle between today (current services) and tomorrow (education
>>>> and physical infrastructure), and today usually gives tomorrow a
>>>> solid
>>>> whipping. For the "values voter" the math problem also has a moral
>>>> dimension, because the practice of shipping the tab for our lifestyle
>>>> to our children and grandchildren is truly obscene. Ironically, the
>>>> best news for rich folks is that we can't tax our way out of a mess
>>>> of
>>>> this proportion. In a global economy, high marginal tax rates will
>>>> cause capital and tax base to migrate elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Democrats traditionally ignore the math problem. They just don't
>>>> turn
>>>> in their homework and figure that it will all be OK as long as the
>>>> tax
>>>> code is useful as a punitive device for administering social justice
>>>> rather than an equitable means for funding government. For their
>>>> part,
>>>> the Republicans cheat on the math problem. They talk about fiscal
>>>> restraint and then spend on their contributors in a way that makes
>>>> the
>>>> drunkest of sailors blush. They say that if we reduce revenue enough
>>>> we can eventually balance the budget. We have seen this "new" math
>>>> before when we were told that supply-side economics would magically
>>>> erase the deficit problem. It is true that tax cuts do act as
>>>> economic
>>>> stimulus, but the temporary stimulus is ultimately empty without
>>>> spending restraint.
>>>>
>>>> Beyond government spending for a moment, the monetary new math said
>>>> that $2.5 trillion in excess leverage (comparing the traditional
>>>> relationship of bank debt to GDP) was OK because the risk had been
>>>> securitized through asset-lite Enronomics, where the markets parse
>>>> derivative and speculative risk intelligently, and create wealth for
>>>> the most efficient market participants — in the absence of any
>>>> fundamental value creation in the underlying economy. It wasn't OK,
>>>>
>>>> and a lot of people are getting hurt who never bargained for the
>>>> risks
>>>> they now face.
>>>>
>>>> Our approach to the public sector over the last eight years has been
>>>> if you disparage government long enough it will get better. Clearly
>>>> that hasn't worked. Obama thinks that government is important and
>>>> that
>>>> it can help people, but it can only do so if it is fiscally strong.
>>>> His budget cuts, therefore, would spring from a different motivation.
>>>> Will that be enough to make them palatable? I don't know, but I do
>>>> know that the math problem demands that he try.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the ultimate fiscal blunt instrument, a balanced budget
>>>> amendment (with appropriate exceptions for war or fiscal emergency),
>>>> may be the bad idea whose time has come. Congress under both parties
>>>> has been unable to discipline itself without it. Make no mistake,
>>>> this
>>>> mathematical exercise will be painful; all spending, not just
>>>> domestic
>>>> discretionary spending, (38 percent of the total) must be on the
>>>> table. The only spending that is truly nondiscretionary is interest
>>>> on
>>>> the national debt.
>>>>
>>>> Obama is very smart, and he gives a very good speech. If he simply
>>>> allows the latter gift to overcome the former gift, we may
>>>> temporarily
>>>> restore some moral authority in the world, and at least the folks
>>>> who
>>>> hate us will have to come up with a whole new set of reasons to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> But this won't last; the math problem will ultimately impoverish us,
>>>> and beggars don't retain their moral authority very long. Real change
>>>> demands that the political conversation begins to track the fiscal
>>>> reality for the first time in a long time.
>>>>
>>>> When I first met Obama in June 2007, I found him, as millions of
>>>> others have, to be a special person. Is he special enough to lead us
>>>> into the math problem with the kind of aspirational tone that got him
>>>> elected? I think so.
>>>>
>>>> I hope so.
>>>>
>>>> I pray so.
>>>>
>>>> Hobby is a Houston businessman with extensive experience in private
>>>> and public finance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry about your loss of being able to use credit to conduct
>>>>> your
>>>>> business. Actually, use of credit has little to do with capitalism
>>>>> but
>>>>> rather economics Keynesianism and manipulated market theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understand the biggest single cause of the current economic 'Bubble'
>>>>> bursting was the manipulation of mortgage market by National
>>>>> Democrats,
>>>>> specifically Sen. Dodd of Connecticut and Barney Frank of
>>>>> Massachusetts.
>>>>> These two induced Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to push mortgages
>>>>> without
>>>>> historical safeguards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically they pushed giving mortgages without sufficient down
>>>>>
>>> payments
>>>
>>>>> to assist mortgage lenders in recovering from default and pushed
>>>>> giving
>>>>> mortgages with balloon payments to those who would not be able to
>>>>> meet
>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>> ballooning payment. Read the information available and you will
>>>>> find
>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> the Bush administration requested better oversight and stricter
>>>>> lending
>>>>> requirement. Those two National Democrats and their associates
>>>>> hindered
>>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>>> stopped better control. That is a big part of the current credit
>>>>>
>>> crises.
>>>
>>>>> This as Stan would say, according to Cindy Spitzer, was a 'Bubble'.
>>>>> The
>>>>> bursting of this bubble crippled the historically reliable mortgage
>>>>>
>>> market
>>>
>>>>> by making all mortgages credit suspect. This included all the
>>>>> packages
>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> credit made from those mortgages.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has 'mortally' harmed the credit industry. This has harmed not
>>>>>
>>> only
>>>
>>>>> getting credit but those who historically have used it to smooth
>>>>> contact
>>>>> payments out to pay routine business expenses. This harm caused by
>>>>> Fanny
>>>>>
>>>> Mae
>>>>
>>>>> and Freddie Mac will last 50 years or more. Thank those in the U.
>>>>> S.
>>>>> Congress who wanted to use the credit industry to finance social
>>>>> aims.
>>>>> Thank you for supporting those candidates.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how is above this any different from Obama's other 'Progressive
>>>>>
>>> Goals?'
>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, those who understand economics understand the
>>>>> problems
>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> an Obama administration will have and cause. Maybe the stock market
>>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>>> stabilize? However, the harm inflicted on U. S. credit will linger.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry that this will cause you great personal harm. What were
>>>>>
>>> Warren
>>>
>>>>> Buffett's remarks the other day about future inflation and
>>>>> devaluation
>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> the U. S dollar? Thank Barney and Chris and fellow travelers, and
>>>>> your
>>>>> support of those policies and the policies advocates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elle said, "Educators haven't 'turned over' discipline; it has been
>>>>>
>>> ripped
>>>
>>>>> out of their control by laws and regulations and lawsuits." Yes
>>>>> thank
>>>>> plaintiff's attorneys for over zealous advocacy of minor issues and
>>>>>
>>> nominal
>>>
>>>>> harms. We have at least one of those guys, on this forum.
>>>>> Actually,
>>>>> we
>>>>> have several but they lay low least they hear about their
>>>>> activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb said, "At the same time, if we as parents were more involved in
>>>>> the
>>>>> educational process of our children, most of us would be surprised
>>>>> at
>>>>> exactly what we can do. However, in the relative vacuum of parental
>>>>> involvement, the bureaucracies have thrived like a fungus, and we've
>>>>>
>>> ended
>>>
>>>>> up where we are now."
>>>>>
>>>>> The simple truth is not all parents have time to be involved. When
>>>>> both
>>>>> parents work, as is needed in today's times to make ends meet, they
>>>>> do
>>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>>> have time to attend PTA and other activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Discipline was integral when I attended school. It has been
>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>> by
>>>>> bureaucracies and sociopaths and those wanting schools to develop
>>>>>
>>> socially
>>>
>>>>> conscious students. Just read about the themes advocated by Obama's
>>>>>
>>> friend
>>>
>>>>> Bill Ayers. He disregards schools to build basic math and
>>>>> communication
>>>>> skills for social purposes. Yet, we have so many who follow the
>>>>> sheep
>>>>> herder…
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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