[Rhodes22-list] Andrew, Elle & Herb, comments on your posts.
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Nov 25 10:32:32 EST 2008
John, what in the WORLD are you talking about? I've never attempted to
become mayor of "y'allsville', or anywhere else for that matter.
Oh wait, your topic was village idiots. Now I understand.
John Shulick wrote:
> Actually I think one could be mayor of some some pathetic y'allsville town as
> well. Good luck on your next attempt.
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>
>> I'd say the village has plenty of idiots to go around. I'd further say
>> that those that think that a "village idiot" can become president of the
>> US reveal a lot about their own mental acuity.
>>
>>
>> John Shulick wrote:
>>
>>> Pot?
>>>
>>> I will give W credit for one thing, he has proven to be a shining example
>>> showcasing the true greatness of our country and the strength of our
>>> political system. Here in America even the village idiot can aspire to
>>> and
>>> become the President. Truly an amazing country we live in.
>>>
>>> John Shulick (skillet)
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear Kettle,
>>>> From pot: Probably the worst thing I have said about the current
>>>> president
>>>> is that he's the dumbest SOB that has ever held this office. I stand by
>>>> that
>>>> statement. I am sure history will prove me correct. It is my opinion and
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> allowed to have one....as long as my wife tells me I can.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 12:15:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> Fair? LOL!
>>>>
>>>> There's few things fair in politics but we always hear about
>>>> "fairness". Axlerod was on Fox News this morning saying the tax-hike
>>>> for the "rich" will be delayed. Now that's smart economics but it
>>>> will be another huge disappointment to the far lefties who thought
>>>> they were electing a saint. Even in todays post you use the term
>>>> "farce" which is much kinder than some of the other things you've said
>>>> in the past eight years. I've been a helluva lot more accepting of
>>>> Obama and wishing him success than you ever were W.
>>>>
>>>> Pot, meet kettle.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:59 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>> I'm sorry the your candidate didn't win the election, but I doubt that
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fair to accuse the left of finally seeing that Mr. Obama can't do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> everything
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> he has promised. The man isn't even in office yet and the "righties"
>>>>> are
>>>>> already pinning our current problems on him. After eight years of an
>>>>> administration that really was a farce, at least give Obama four
>>>>> years
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> try and rectify
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the screw ups of this current administration.on Don't even try to
>>>>> call
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> me a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> lefty or a righty because I don't wear lapels that you can pin a
>>>>> label
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm just an average "Joe" trying to get this country back on the
>>>>> right
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> track.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The ultra right wing conservative nut jobs have run this country into
>>>>> the
>>>>> ground and now it needs fixing. Using the term conservative with the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> current
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> administration is an insult to all true conservatives.
>>>>> Hopefully the very first act Mr. Obama will sign will make stem cells
>>>>> available for research. It might come in time to save a very good
>>>>> friends
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> life. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> can't even begin to tell you how pissed off HE is at this president.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy.......time for a drink and football.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 11/23/2008 8:24:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the chickens have come home to roost, so to speak. I don't envy
>>>>> President-elect Obama and the problems he's been handed. Perhaps
>>>>> Stan
>>>>> is correct - is it too late to ask for a recount? It's been a lot of
>>>>> fun watching the far left get their panties in a wad the last two
>>>>> weeks after suddenly realizing that their Chosen One can't possibly
>>>>> deliver on 10% of what he promised. Like most incoming Presidents,
>>>>> he's stuck with a lot of policies handed to him from the previous
>>>>> administration. He won't pull out of Iraq on his promised time
>>>>> schedule, he won't find an easy solution to Afghanistan, and there is
>>>>> no "magic bullet" for our current economic woes. There are no quick
>>>>> solutions and my guess is that the current financial pain we're
>>>>> suffering from will last a good bit longer. Throwing money at the
>>>>> big
>>>>> three automakers will only breathe a few months or years of life
>>>>> into
>>>>> a broken business model. Personally, I'd sure like a do-over on the
>>>>> bank bailout. One can only hope that Obama is as smart as his
>>>>> supporters have promised us he is - he'll need some smarts for sure.
>>>>> So far he's picked some really good people, not all of them by any
>>>>> means, but some.
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is an article from the Houston Chronicle that does a pretty
>>>>> good job of outlining our problems. It isn't easy being a
>>>>> conservative these days, but I for one haven't given up hope.
>>>>> Sometimes people need to be beaten about the head and shoulders for
>>>>> the lessons to take hold, or as we say in flight training, "the
>>>>> beatings will continue until morale improves".
>>>>>
>>>>> Unlike the far left for the past eight years, I'm not going to
>>>>> berate
>>>>> the President for his every little miss-step. I sincerely hope he is
>>>>> The One. That said, I'm preparing just in case he isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> On an unrelated note, did you know that the turkeys we eat for
>>>>> Thanksgiving are actually killed? I've been laughing my ass off at
>>>>> the "looney lefties" including the New York Times going berserk over
>>>>> Sarah Palin giving an interview while turkeys were being processed in
>>>>> the background. For someone supposedly headed for the "dustbin of
>>>>> history", they sure pay a lot of attention to her every move.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> America's math problem yields no simple solutions
>>>>> Much of the blame rests with government spending
>>>>> By PAUL W. HOBBY
>>>>> Nov. 21, 2008, 8:11PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So America can still amaze the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the election of President-elect Barack Obama a blessed
>>>>> self-correction or radical over-correction for the world's greatest
>>>>> nation? We can't know just yet. But, no matter how you voted, we have
>>>>> to close ranks as a nation at this moment in history, because the
>>>>> tripod of American authority in the world is dangerously unstable.
>>>>>
>>>>> The tripod consists of moral authority, economic authority and
>>>>> military authority. For reasons I need not detail, each of these legs
>>>>> is stressed as they haven't been in a very long while. In large part
>>>>> whether we succeed or fail in restoring our balance is about simple
>>>>> arithmetic. A serious math problem lurks in the shadows that
>>>>> heretofore neither party has been willing to address in a serious
>>>>> way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Succinctly stated, the math problem is that the federal government
>>>>> spends too much — a lot too much. The current deficit is a record
>>>>> $455
>>>>> billion (before the bailout). The national debt is $10.5 trillion.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for the inattention is that politics doesn't like math
>>>>> problems. Speeches are easier, symbols are safe and personal
>>>>> criticisms are the very best, because those things don't require
>>>>> anything of us, the people. They don't require introspection, or
>>>>> sacrifice or sober prioritization of needs and wants. But maybe, if
>>>>> there is a moment for hard reality to emerge, it is at the end of a
>>>>> political season. Just as it took a Southerner in LBJ to pass civil
>>>>> rights reform, real spending reform may have to come from a Democrat
>>>>> (LBJ had a balanced budget in 1969).
>>>>>
>>>>> Math problems are hard, but they undergird the universe. You cannot
>>>>> outrun or outtalk or out organize the math problem any more than you
>>>>> can outtalk or outrun physical gravity. This is a problem that
>>>>> threatens the strength of our currency, inhibits the government's
>>>>> ability to respond to the current fiscal crisis, and diverts precious
>>>>> dollars from infrastructure, education and all forms of long-term
>>>>> public investment.
>>>>>
>>>>> How did we get here? You know the answer at some level. We are all
>>>>> guilty of wanting to consume now and pay later. Politics is forever
>>>>> the struggle between today (current services) and tomorrow (education
>>>>> and physical infrastructure), and today usually gives tomorrow a
>>>>> solid
>>>>> whipping. For the "values voter" the math problem also has a moral
>>>>> dimension, because the practice of shipping the tab for our lifestyle
>>>>> to our children and grandchildren is truly obscene. Ironically, the
>>>>> best news for rich folks is that we can't tax our way out of a mess
>>>>> of
>>>>> this proportion. In a global economy, high marginal tax rates will
>>>>> cause capital and tax base to migrate elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Democrats traditionally ignore the math problem. They just don't
>>>>> turn
>>>>> in their homework and figure that it will all be OK as long as the
>>>>> tax
>>>>> code is useful as a punitive device for administering social justice
>>>>> rather than an equitable means for funding government. For their
>>>>> part,
>>>>> the Republicans cheat on the math problem. They talk about fiscal
>>>>> restraint and then spend on their contributors in a way that makes
>>>>> the
>>>>> drunkest of sailors blush. They say that if we reduce revenue enough
>>>>> we can eventually balance the budget. We have seen this "new" math
>>>>> before when we were told that supply-side economics would magically
>>>>> erase the deficit problem. It is true that tax cuts do act as
>>>>> economic
>>>>> stimulus, but the temporary stimulus is ultimately empty without
>>>>> spending restraint.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beyond government spending for a moment, the monetary new math said
>>>>> that $2.5 trillion in excess leverage (comparing the traditional
>>>>> relationship of bank debt to GDP) was OK because the risk had been
>>>>> securitized through asset-lite Enronomics, where the markets parse
>>>>> derivative and speculative risk intelligently, and create wealth for
>>>>> the most efficient market participants — in the absence of any
>>>>> fundamental value creation in the underlying economy. It wasn't OK,
>>>>>
>>>>> and a lot of people are getting hurt who never bargained for the
>>>>> risks
>>>>> they now face.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our approach to the public sector over the last eight years has been
>>>>> if you disparage government long enough it will get better. Clearly
>>>>> that hasn't worked. Obama thinks that government is important and
>>>>> that
>>>>> it can help people, but it can only do so if it is fiscally strong.
>>>>> His budget cuts, therefore, would spring from a different motivation.
>>>>> Will that be enough to make them palatable? I don't know, but I do
>>>>> know that the math problem demands that he try.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the ultimate fiscal blunt instrument, a balanced budget
>>>>> amendment (with appropriate exceptions for war or fiscal emergency),
>>>>> may be the bad idea whose time has come. Congress under both parties
>>>>> has been unable to discipline itself without it. Make no mistake,
>>>>> this
>>>>> mathematical exercise will be painful; all spending, not just
>>>>> domestic
>>>>> discretionary spending, (38 percent of the total) must be on the
>>>>> table. The only spending that is truly nondiscretionary is interest
>>>>> on
>>>>> the national debt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama is very smart, and he gives a very good speech. If he simply
>>>>> allows the latter gift to overcome the former gift, we may
>>>>> temporarily
>>>>> restore some moral authority in the world, and at least the folks
>>>>> who
>>>>> hate us will have to come up with a whole new set of reasons to do
>>>>> so.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this won't last; the math problem will ultimately impoverish us,
>>>>> and beggars don't retain their moral authority very long. Real change
>>>>> demands that the political conversation begins to track the fiscal
>>>>> reality for the first time in a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I first met Obama in June 2007, I found him, as millions of
>>>>> others have, to be a special person. Is he special enough to lead us
>>>>> into the math problem with the kind of aspirational tone that got him
>>>>> elected? I think so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I pray so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hobby is a Houston businessman with extensive experience in private
>>>>> and public finance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry about your loss of being able to use credit to conduct
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> business. Actually, use of credit has little to do with capitalism
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> rather economics Keynesianism and manipulated market theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Understand the biggest single cause of the current economic 'Bubble'
>>>>>> bursting was the manipulation of mortgage market by National
>>>>>> Democrats,
>>>>>> specifically Sen. Dodd of Connecticut and Barney Frank of
>>>>>> Massachusetts.
>>>>>> These two induced Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to push mortgages
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> historical safeguards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Specifically they pushed giving mortgages without sufficient down
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> payments
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> to assist mortgage lenders in recovering from default and pushed
>>>>>> giving
>>>>>> mortgages with balloon payments to those who would not be able to
>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ballooning payment. Read the information available and you will
>>>>>> find
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the Bush administration requested better oversight and stricter
>>>>>> lending
>>>>>> requirement. Those two National Democrats and their associates
>>>>>> hindered
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> stopped better control. That is a big part of the current credit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> crises.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> This as Stan would say, according to Cindy Spitzer, was a 'Bubble'.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> bursting of this bubble crippled the historically reliable mortgage
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> market
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> by making all mortgages credit suspect. This included all the
>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> credit made from those mortgages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has 'mortally' harmed the credit industry. This has harmed not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> only
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> getting credit but those who historically have used it to smooth
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> payments out to pay routine business expenses. This harm caused by
>>>>>> Fanny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Mae
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> and Freddie Mac will last 50 years or more. Thank those in the U.
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>> Congress who wanted to use the credit industry to finance social
>>>>>> aims.
>>>>>> Thank you for supporting those candidates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how is above this any different from Obama's other 'Progressive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Goals?'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, those who understand economics understand the
>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> an Obama administration will have and cause. Maybe the stock market
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> stabilize? However, the harm inflicted on U. S. credit will linger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry that this will cause you great personal harm. What were
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Warren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Buffett's remarks the other day about future inflation and
>>>>>> devaluation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the U. S dollar? Thank Barney and Chris and fellow travelers, and
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> support of those policies and the policies advocates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elle said, "Educators haven't 'turned over' discipline; it has been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> ripped
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> out of their control by laws and regulations and lawsuits." Yes
>>>>>> thank
>>>>>> plaintiff's attorneys for over zealous advocacy of minor issues and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> nominal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> harms. We have at least one of those guys, on this forum.
>>>>>> Actually,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> have several but they lay low least they hear about their
>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb said, "At the same time, if we as parents were more involved in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> educational process of our children, most of us would be surprised
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> exactly what we can do. However, in the relative vacuum of parental
>>>>>> involvement, the bureaucracies have thrived like a fungus, and we've
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> ended
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> up where we are now."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The simple truth is not all parents have time to be involved. When
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> parents work, as is needed in today's times to make ends meet, they
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> have time to attend PTA and other activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discipline was integral when I attended school. It has been
>>>>>> hamstrung
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> bureaucracies and sociopaths and those wanting schools to develop
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> socially
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> conscious students. Just read about the themes advocated by Obama's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> friend
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Ayers. He disregards schools to build basic math and
>>>>>> communication
>>>>>> skills for social purposes. Yet, we have so many who follow the
>>>>>> sheep
>>>>>> herder…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Andrew%2C-Elle---Herb%2C-comments-on-your-posts.-tp20645864p20645864.html
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>>
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