[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Nov 26 13:03:12 EST 2008 

Herb,

I'm all for morals no matter what the source of the belief system - as
long as it doesn't involve my checkbook.  I've seen lots of church
groups rebuilding houses on the Gulf Coast, volunteer groups like the
Red Cross and Salvation Army making positive contributions, etc.  Not
once have I seen Code Pink or their ilk pounding a single nail.
Whatever happened to DC Dave who had the solution to everything
related to Katrina but never took me up on the offer to sleep in
corporate headquarters and strip drywall from flooded houses?  Talk is
cheap.

Brad

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> I'm afraid of people that have morals but no religious beliefs. When
> people that have morals that are not founded in a belief system "higher
> than themselves", that means that their morals are subject to change.
>
> I disagree that morals came first then God. I've seen too many people
> radically changed when they found God.
>
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
>> Herb, I am not religious but I don't knock those that are. I would have to
>> trash to many friends and family.
>>
>> Are you of the opinion that man would not have morals/values without
>> religion?  I would suggest the values may have come first. Then once
>> established the Bible, Koran and such were written. Most animals have a
>> level of acceptable herd/pack behaviour.
>>
>> Regarding karma....if you treat people like trash most likely others will
>> treat you the same. Like the old expression what goes around comes around.
>> For me nothing religious about it.
>>
>> Fair Winds,
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You caught that, huh?
>>>
>>> When I asked on here what constituted "extremists" in religion, one of
>>> the responses I got, when you boiled it down, was that basically if you
>>> belong to any of the mainstream religions, and actually believe what
>>> they preach, you're an extremist.
>>>
>>> I would appear that we are heading for a time when "religion" is
>>> acceptable only when the churches are social or political organizations.
>>> In other words, belonging to a church will be acceptable as long as your
>>> church isn't religious.
>>>
>>> That will be a sad state of affairs on a nation whose roots are founded
>>> in freedom of religion.
>>>
>>> Even Slim hinted at a "religious belief" though he probably won't
>>> acknowledge it as such:
>>>
>>> "Karma--what goes around comes round--I wouldn't argue with that
>>> although I don't think that's a hard and fast rule."
>>>
>>> I have to wonder, even if it's not a "hard and fast rule", even if it's
>>> something that only happens most of the time - what is the actuating
>>> mechanism? What would cause the karma to take effect. Is it magic? Is it
>>> the great force of the universe that intervenes from time to time to
>>> keep things in balance? Is it the Judeo-Christian God saying "I meant it
>>> when I siad you mow what you sow"? Whatever supernatural entity that
>>> Slim believes keeps karma in balance is (at least one of) his god(s). He
>>> may not worship that god, but in his statement, he's at least
>>> acknowledging its existence.
>>>
>>> THAT was the point of my post that prompted his latest. And I STILL find
>>> it ironic that those that denigrate mainstream religion will freely
>>> embrace other "belief" based systems.
>>>
>>> One of Slim's fellow musicians once said:
>>>
>>> You may call me anything but no matter what you say
>>> You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
>>> You're gonna have to serve somebody.
>>> Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
>>> But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
>>>
>>>
>>> And sorry all you science buffs, there is nothing scientific that
>>> supports morality. You MAY make the argument that it's better socially,
>>> but that's not a scientific study. If all we're looking for is to "get
>>> the most" out of our three score and ten, then Ghengis Khan may have had
>>> a better idea.
>>>
>>> BTW, I have friends, close friends, that include a broad variety of
>>> religious beliefs, including agnostics and atheists. It's funny that in
>>> spite of my "kooky" beliefs and "extremism", I can find room for them
>>> and their beliefs, but some of the libs on here have no room for mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> The irony of Slim's rant is that he denigrates one set of beliefs, and
>>>> then goes on to defend his own set of beliefs (atheism). As a
>>>> practicing agnostic, I don't "have a dog in this hunt" other than
>>>> having a diverse collection of friends of all faiths.
>>>>
>>>> I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who preach tolerance
>>>> the most are often the most intolerant.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply believe you're wrong. Not that you're a kook, not that you're
>>>>> an idiot. Simply that you're wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no need to label your beliefs as "extreme" or "kookie" or
>>>>> anything else like that, just that they I believe they're wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand the need for you and others like you to denigrate the
>>>>> beliefs of others. When you call the beliefs of others "myths", you
>>>>> begin down that road. When you start refer to it by saying "Merry
>>>>> Christmas", you've become obnoxious about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about this, think if you came to me in the little bar we all like
>>>>> to discuss, and said "Hey man, music is my life, I LOVE music" and
>>>>> responded "Anyone who devotes a life to changing air waves is an idiot
>>>>> and a looser", what would be your response?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You keep bringing this up  I suppose out of some kind of indignation.
>>>>>>
>>>  As a
>>>
>>>>>> Christian, I don't blame you.  You have every right to your religious
>>>>>> beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious
>>>>>>
>>> extremism as
>>>
>>>>>> a threat to our civilization.  Not that I think you, yourself are an
>>>>>> extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in
>>>>>>
>>> general, no
>>>
>>>>>> matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict.  I remember
>>>>>>
>>> hearing
>>>
>>>>>> an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say
>>>>>>
>>> something to
>>>
>>>>>> Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?"  His answer was,  "I would tell
>>>>>>
>>> him
>>>
>>>>>> he's not a Muslim."  He's wrong.  Osama IS a Muslim.  An extreme
>>>>>>
>>> Muslim.
>>>
>>>>>> Extremism is the enemy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You talked about transubstantiation.  Many Christian denominations
>>>>>>
>>> believe
>>>
>>>>>> in that or something close.  Or they believe in some kind of
>>>>>>
>>> representation
>>>
>>>>>> of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism.  No
>>>>>> thanks!  From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it
>>>>>>
>>> sounds
>>>
>>>>>> like a myth.  I'm not buyin' it.  It's just too kooky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
>>>>>> around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a hard
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>> fast rule.  Reincarnation--I doubt it.  Ghosts--no opinion.  Don't need
>>>>>> one.  The existence of God?  The invisible man in the sky who knows
>>>>>>
>>> when you
>>>
>>>>>> are sleeping and knows when you're awake...?  Merry Christmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth.  Religion
>>>>>> throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions:  Where
>>>>>>
>>> did we
>>>
>>>>>> come from?  How shall we live?  What happens when we die?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love.  I
>>>>>>
>>> believe
>>>
>>>>>> that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only chance
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> be a man.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll
>>>>>>>
>>> openly
>>>
>>>>>>> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
>>>>>>> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in
>>>>>>>
>>> God,
>>>
>>>>>>> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
>>>>>>> warming morality" beliefs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
>>>>>>> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the VP
>>>>>>> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly
>>>>>>>
>>> teaches
>>>
>>>>>>> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously
>>>>>>>
>>> becomes
>>>
>>>>>>> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
>>>>>>> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing, and
>>>>>>> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
>>>>>>>> have religious beliefs.  There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
>>>>>>>> that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever the
>>>>>>>> accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
>>>>>>>> most are the most intolerant people I know.  Racist?  I'll pay a
>>>>>>>> hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
>>>>>>>> what race I am.  Make it a thousand for my daughter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <
>>>>>>>>
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing
>>>>>>>>>
>>> different
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months, you
>>>>>>>>> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational
>>>>>>>>>
>>> discussion
>>>
>>>>>>>>> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all time
>>>>>>>>> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans are
>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I
>>>>>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>>>>>>> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with additional
>>>>>>>>> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met
>>>>>>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>>>>>>> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that
>>>>>>>>>
>>> time
>>>
>>>>>>>>> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may
>>>>>>>>>
>>> even
>>>
>>>>>>>>> go the extra step for a while.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I understand and I agree with you.  I did not mean to suggest that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were being irrational.  But you got the point because you said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary, it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> may
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational. Countering
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can often
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as you
>>>>>>>>>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> counter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> same
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months.  I know you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intellect and the capability.  The only question is whether you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> desire.  Why not give it a try?  I don't see any downside.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take a
>>>>>>>>>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> attack
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> committed by
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> racist"
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> merely repeating a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NOT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> racist view.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> It
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Countering a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> often be
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> well
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> has a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> reason to complain.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person does
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> says?
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to stoop
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's level?  If so, I think you are demeaning yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>  Stay
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fray.  You're better than that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> rationally. I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> reasonable
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> huffy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bitch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A politician
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> margin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> I'll be
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> That's
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> will be
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> promises.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> minority
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> than
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> their
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> promise"
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Afghanistan
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> mess
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "success"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the stomach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mountains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin Laden?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> succeed
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> when
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> what
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> hearing
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability reflect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> receive a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> him
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> overlook
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> he
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> let a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> part
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> deep
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> already
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "talk".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (negatively)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> they
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> deep
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> haven't
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due diligence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gov.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> do
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chicago,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> country,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> family,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a leader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic themes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> final
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> dictators
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent fund
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> well,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> issue."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> (and so
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theaters,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movie news &
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more!(
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
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