[Rhodes22-list] Herb's Response

TN Rhodey tnrhodey at gmail.com
Thu Nov 27 06:49:31 EST 2008 

Herb,

Wow.....you are afraid of me! :-)

Peace and Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Wally
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:

> I'm afraid of people that have morals but no religious beliefs. When
> people that have morals that are not founded in a belief system "higher
> than themselves", that means that their morals are subject to change.
>
> I disagree that morals came first then God. I've seen too many people
> radically changed when they found God.
>
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
> > Herb, I am not religious but I don't knock those that are. I would have
> to
> > trash to many friends and family.
> >
> > Are you of the opinion that man would not have morals/values without
> > religion?  I would suggest the values may have come first. Then once
> > established the Bible, Koran and such were written. Most animals have a
> > level of acceptable herd/pack behaviour.
> >
> > Regarding karma....if you treat people like trash most likely others will
> > treat you the same. Like the old expression what goes around comes
> around.
> > For me nothing religious about it.
> >
> > Fair Winds,
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> You caught that, huh?
> >>
> >> When I asked on here what constituted "extremists" in religion, one of
> >> the responses I got, when you boiled it down, was that basically if you
> >> belong to any of the mainstream religions, and actually believe what
> >> they preach, you're an extremist.
> >>
> >> I would appear that we are heading for a time when "religion" is
> >> acceptable only when the churches are social or political organizations.
> >> In other words, belonging to a church will be acceptable as long as your
> >> church isn't religious.
> >>
> >> That will be a sad state of affairs on a nation whose roots are founded
> >> in freedom of religion.
> >>
> >> Even Slim hinted at a "religious belief" though he probably won't
> >> acknowledge it as such:
> >>
> >> "Karma--what goes around comes round--I wouldn't argue with that
> >> although I don't think that's a hard and fast rule."
> >>
> >> I have to wonder, even if it's not a "hard and fast rule", even if it's
> >> something that only happens most of the time - what is the actuating
> >> mechanism? What would cause the karma to take effect. Is it magic? Is it
> >> the great force of the universe that intervenes from time to time to
> >> keep things in balance? Is it the Judeo-Christian God saying "I meant it
> >> when I siad you mow what you sow"? Whatever supernatural entity that
> >> Slim believes keeps karma in balance is (at least one of) his god(s). He
> >> may not worship that god, but in his statement, he's at least
> >> acknowledging its existence.
> >>
> >> THAT was the point of my post that prompted his latest. And I STILL find
> >> it ironic that those that denigrate mainstream religion will freely
> >> embrace other "belief" based systems.
> >>
> >> One of Slim's fellow musicians once said:
> >>
> >> You may call me anything but no matter what you say
> >> You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
> >> You're gonna have to serve somebody.
> >> Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
> >> But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
> >>
> >>
> >> And sorry all you science buffs, there is nothing scientific that
> >> supports morality. You MAY make the argument that it's better socially,
> >> but that's not a scientific study. If all we're looking for is to "get
> >> the most" out of our three score and ten, then Ghengis Khan may have had
> >> a better idea.
> >>
> >> BTW, I have friends, close friends, that include a broad variety of
> >> religious beliefs, including agnostics and atheists. It's funny that in
> >> spite of my "kooky" beliefs and "extremism", I can find room for them
> >> and their beliefs, but some of the libs on here have no room for mine.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Herb,
> >>>
> >>> The irony of Slim's rant is that he denigrates one set of beliefs, and
> >>> then goes on to defend his own set of beliefs (atheism). As a
> >>> practicing agnostic, I don't "have a dog in this hunt" other than
> >>> having a diverse collection of friends of all faiths.
> >>>
> >>> I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who preach tolerance
> >>> the most are often the most intolerant.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Slim,
> >>>>
> >>>> I simply believe you're wrong. Not that you're a kook, not that you're
> >>>> an idiot. Simply that you're wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no need to label your beliefs as "extreme" or "kookie" or
> >>>> anything else like that, just that they I believe they're wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't understand the need for you and others like you to denigrate
> the
> >>>> beliefs of others. When you call the beliefs of others "myths", you
> >>>> begin down that road. When you start refer to it by saying "Merry
> >>>> Christmas", you've become obnoxious about it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Think about this, think if you came to me in the little bar we all
> like
> >>>> to discuss, and said "Hey man, music is my life, I LOVE music" and
> >>>> responded "Anyone who devotes a life to changing air waves is an idiot
> >>>> and a looser", what would be your response?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You keep bringing this up  I suppose out of some kind of indignation.
> >>>>>
> >>  As a
> >>
> >>>>> Christian, I don't blame you.  You have every right to your religious
> >>>>> beliefs--I just don't adhere to them myself and I see religious
> >>>>>
> >> extremism as
> >>
> >>>>> a threat to our civilization.  Not that I think you, yourself are an
> >>>>> extremist per se (and I don't know you're not) but extremism in
> >>>>>
> >> general, no
> >>
> >>>>> matter what religion, will bring nothing but conflict.  I remember
> >>>>>
> >> hearing
> >>
> >>>>> an interview with Hamid Karzai who was asked, "If you could say
> >>>>>
> >> something to
> >>
> >>>>> Osama Bin Laden, what would you say?"  His answer was,  "I would tell
> >>>>>
> >> him
> >>
> >>>>> he's not a Muslim."  He's wrong.  Osama IS a Muslim.  An extreme
> >>>>>
> >> Muslim.
> >>
> >>>>> Extremism is the enemy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You talked about transubstantiation.  Many Christian denominations
> >>>>>
> >> believe
> >>
> >>>>> in that or something close.  Or they believe in some kind of
> >>>>>
> >> representation
> >>
> >>>>> of that but it's all the same anyway--it's ritualized cannibalism.
>  No
> >>>>> thanks!  From that, all the way back to the talking snake, to me, it
> >>>>>
> >> sounds
> >>
> >>>>> like a myth.  I'm not buyin' it.  It's just too kooky.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for the other stuff you mentioned--Karma--what goes around comes
> >>>>> around--I wouldn't argue with that although I don't think that's a
> hard
> >>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>> fast rule.  Reincarnation--I doubt it.  Ghosts--no opinion.  Don't
> need
> >>>>> one.  The existence of God?  The invisible man in the sky who knows
> >>>>>
> >> when you
> >>
> >>>>> are sleeping and knows when you're awake...?  Merry Christmas.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You can have your beliefs, Herb, but I think it's all a myth.
>  Religion
> >>>>> throughout all civilizations serve to answer three questions:  Where
> >>>>>
> >> did we
> >>
> >>>>> come from?  How shall we live?  What happens when we die?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe I'm the kook but I believe in nature and I believe in love.  I
> >>>>>
> >> believe
> >>
> >>>>> that when you die it's "game over" so live right--it's your only
> chance
> >>>>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>> be a man.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Slim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Herb Parsons <
> hparsons at parsonsys.com
> >>>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I read an interesting study the other day. It asserted (and I'll
> >>>>>>
> >> openly
> >>
> >>>>>> say, I'll have a hard time finding it again, and even harder time
> >>>>>> vouching for it's veracity) that folks who claim to NOT believe in
> >>>>>>
> >> God,
> >>
> >>>>>> actually have more "faith based" beliefs than deists do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Beliefs in "karma", "reincarnation", "ghosts", and yes, even "global
> >>>>>> warming morality" beliefs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lots of "religious kookiness" to go around.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My point at the time was the hypocrisy though. The person throwing
> >>>>>> around "religious kooks" labels was openly willing to vote for the
> VP
> >>>>>> candidate that is a practicing member of a religion that openly
> >>>>>>
> >> teaches
> >>
> >>>>>> that when the priest blesses the wine and wafer, it miraculously
> >>>>>>
> >> becomes
> >>
> >>>>>> both the blood and body of Christ Jesus.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I AM saying folks should be much
> >>>>>> more careful with their "kook" labels. Faith is a precious thing,
> and
> >>>>>> one of the foundations of the nation in which we live.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There's a saying - Dance with the one what brung ya.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I say we should be careful about laughing at the one that brung us.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, let's be honest here - you are a "religious kook" because you
> >>>>>>> have religious beliefs.  There's nothing wrong with that, it's just
> >>>>>>> that you don't belong to the church of global warming or whatever
> the
> >>>>>>> accepted church of the day is. The people who preach tolerance the
> >>>>>>> most are the most intolerant people I know.  Racist?  I'll pay a
> >>>>>>> hundred bucks to anyone who can trace my family tree and figure out
> >>>>>>> what race I am.  Make it a thousand for my daughter.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Herb Parsons <
> >>>>>>>
> >> hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> >>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Much like the political mood of the country, my moods swing
> >>>>>>>>
> >> different
> >>
> >>>>>>>> ways. While you have been reading the posts the last two months,
> you
> >>>>>>>> missed those before that. Those where, attempts at rational
> >>>>>>>>
> >> discussion
> >>
> >>>>>>>> were met with "religious kook" and "racist" and, one of my all
> time
> >>>>>>>> favorites "democrats are the thinkers and debaters, republicans
> are
> >>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>> just believers". Attempts at rational discussion were one-sided. I
> >>>>>>>>
> >> would
> >>
> >>>>>>>> ask what made one a religious kook, and was just met with
> additional
> >>>>>>>> abuse. I would ask how my view made me racist, and simply be met
> >>>>>>>>
> >> with
> >>
> >>>>>>>> more abuse. Eventually, I decided to agree with Elle's (as of that
> >>>>>>>>
> >> time
> >>
> >>>>>>>> unvoiced opinion) that sometimes the "c" works.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But, I'll play nicely. I'll always play at least as nice, and may
> >>>>>>>>
> >> even
> >>
> >>>>>>>> go the extra step for a while.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I understand and I agree with you.  I did not mean to suggest
> that
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> were being irrational.  But you got the point because you said:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "It may be 'stooping to the same level', it may be unnecessary,
> it
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> may
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational.
> Countering
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
> often
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Therefore, what I meant to suggest is that as smart a person as
> you
> >>>>>>>>> obviously are, I believe you could find a way to instructionally
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> counter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> what you perceive to be a personal attack without stooping to the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> same
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> level or escalating things while still satisfying your release
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> mechanism.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've read all of your posts over the last two months.  I know you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> have
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> intellect and the capability.  The only question is whether you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> have
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> desire.  Why not give it a try?  I don't see any downside.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Paul
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Actually, I worded that deliberately. If someone chooses to take
> a
> >>>>>>>>>> person's view, and attack them personally for their view, that
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> attack
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> may or may not be "rational". Here's examples:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> John Doe says "Historically, more white collar crimes are
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> committed by
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> white people". Responding to that by saying "John, you're a
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> racist"
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> would be irrational. The view does not fit the comment, because
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> John
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> merely repeating a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> However, if John Doe says "I hate all those white people", it
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> would
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> NOT
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> be irrational to say "John, you're a racist", since his his view
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> is a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> racist view.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> At the same time, a personal "counter attack" is NOT irrational.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> It
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> may
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> be "stooping to the same level", it may be unnecessary, it may
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> (and
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> probably does) escalate things, but it's not irrational.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> Countering a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> personal attack with another one is not only rational, it can
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> often be
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> instructional. And, it's a very good release mechanism.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would say that those that are offended by such things would be
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> well
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> served not to BEGIN them. I will also so, you are the exception
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> rule on here, and frankly, one of the few I've seen that really
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> has a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> reason to complain.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Herb,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you are a rational person (and I think you are), why
> wouldn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> always repond rationally regardless of what the other person
> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> or
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> says?
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Are you saying in a way that you are more than willing to
> stoop
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> someone else's level?  If so, I think you are demeaning
> yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
> >>>>>>>>>>> that's why some of these things sometimes spin out of control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>  Stay
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>> above
> >>>>>>>>>>> the fray.  You're better than that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Paul
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Apology accepted with one small note. If you were to go back
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> look
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> closer at my previous emails, I believe you'd see little
> change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> what
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm "doing of late". I respond to rational discussions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> rationally. I
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> respond to irrational ones in a way I feel appropriate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Hank.  When I reviewed the exchange,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it was clear that I misunderstood Hank's message.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went over the line, and owe Herb an apology.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, of late you have been easier to take, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your message was rational.  I am in the wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to call foul on this one.  Herb came back with a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> reasonable
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your email, did not attack you, was calm and cool, and
> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> you
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> huffy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and complain?  You have just lost any credibility or right
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> bitch
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else's posts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hank
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Robert Skinner
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, you got the last word - a lot of last words...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You win.  I have no further desire to talk to you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satisfied?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mandate? I wasn't talking about a mandate, I was talking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> about
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fading off into the sunset.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a big believer in the "mandate" stuff. A
> politician
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> is
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter if he's elected by a 1% margin, or a 90%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> margin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected, and he needs to start fulfilling the promises and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he made to those that elected him. If Obama can do that,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> I'll be
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised. I don't think he can, nor do I think he will.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> That's
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> why
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly upset by the results.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made a lot of overt commitments that I don't think he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> will be
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and that's not even considering all the "implied"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> promises.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected on a campaign of "let's take it away from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> minority
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it to the majority", and LOTS of people are expecting more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> than
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> he
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to deliver. Don't pooh pooh those accounts of
> people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reporting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how happy they are that he's going to take care of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> their
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> gas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and their mortgages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then add to that the possible disaster that I see looming
> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq/Afghanistan. There's no doubt that the "implied
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> promise"
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he will get us out of Iraq, and begin fighting in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> Afghanistan
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver up Bin Laden.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he pulls out of Iraq fast enough to suit his left wing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> followers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make Vietnam look like a policy masterpiece. We will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> literally
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling snatching victory away. If Iraq then falls into a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> mess
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> like
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened in Vietnam, shame shame shame (I had a typo there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrected, but it still fits - same shame shame).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, we go into Afghanistan, and have the same resounding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "success"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enjoyed by the Russians. I don't believe we have the
> stomach
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fight a man to man ground war that is required in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> mountains
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan. If we won't let our military succeed in Iraq,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> we
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will not in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, do you REALLY think he's going to deliver up Bin
> Laden?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect we're going to be hearing a LOT of "We may not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> succeed
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope though, that people have a good memory. I know I
> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> when
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't vote for "read my lips" President Bush '41.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, no mandate needed. He just needs to start doing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> what
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> he
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promised to do. I think the next two years are going to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that the voters
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When it comes to mandates, he has done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot better than his predecessor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are undeniable advantages to verbal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills when communicating -- a talent
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conspicuous in its absence in Bush.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Reagan, at least he could string a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few words together without tripping on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his tongue -- that was my point.  It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> served him well in negotiations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You DO understand the difference between an orator, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oratory skills. Surely you're not saying that after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> hearing
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech to the RNC that she had NO oratory skills?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does having (or not having) an oratory ability
> reflect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> lack
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence) of anti-intellectual attitudes?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Robert, your guy won the election, but he did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> receive a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mandate for the rest of the world to blindly become like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> him
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, you used Reagan as an example, but you seem to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> overlook
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinkers" and intellectual community were saying
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> about
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> him
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For all of Carter's deep thinking and oratory abilities,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> he
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> let a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "students" hold us hostage for over a year. My
> personal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> result
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actions during that disgraceful period were in a large
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> part
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 9-11.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take those radicals, who we were TOTALLY unsuccessful in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> dealing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and multiply them by 10 fold. THAT is what the orator
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> deep
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinker
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is going to deal with. That's OK though, because he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> already
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear that he's willing to sit down with any of them and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> "talk".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll see what the oratory and talk gets us.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb, I think that a person who has some oratory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills will be a help in negotiations with the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> international community.  They do not have the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-intellectual attitude that has been anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but an asset as we interact with the world's best
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brains.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robtert (and others like him) are looking at Palin
> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> far
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view. They're somehow under the illusion that we WANT
> an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orator"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "deep thinker". It's funny the two he compared her
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> (negatively)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regan, who the Democrats lambasted much the same way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> they
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> did
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (remember when he talked about Star Wars defense, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> they
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derisively calling him Ray-Gun?), and President Jimmy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Carter.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carter!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, a great orator, a great guy in general, a good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christian
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke of a President. If that's what oratory ability
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> deep
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets us, give me the common man (or woman) instead!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it seems you've bought into the MSM meme and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> haven't
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> own homework.  I suggest you do your own due
> diligence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gov.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very real accomplishments before you let other people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> do
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for you.  Unlike Obama's long string of failures in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chicago,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to real successes.  Frankly, I'm not impressed
> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree in law or anything else.  For the sake of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> country,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a successful Obama Presidency.  As for me and my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> family,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "we're
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loaded for bear".  How anyone can believe that a
> leader
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> with a
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mediocre track record following failed economic
> themes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> can
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> successful is beyond me.  No one will be more happily
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all works out OK than myself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Robert Skinner
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, she is no "Great Communicator."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We will never see "Bedtime for Palin."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor, I suspect, will we hear about a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carteresque "lusting in the heart."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, Brad.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is too early to expect that Bambizilla
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will retire from the political scene.  I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect that the GOP spinsters will find
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some way to use her, perhaps as a contrast,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straw woman, to a real Republican orator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or deep thinker to spark up the 2012 campaign.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But for the next two years, I hope, we can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get working on the nation's business.  We can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope that Obama can calm the fears and tame
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the chaos of an economy headed for the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumpster.  We will also see if he can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extricate us gracefully from Iraq and succeed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in bringing down the terrorist franchises.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoping,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Robert
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now....before she fades into the sunset, some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> final
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "My concern has been the atrocities there in Darfur
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance to me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that issue as we spoke about Africa and some
> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that were kind of the people succumbing to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> dictators
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corruption
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of some collapsed governments on the continent, the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investment in Darfur with some of our permanent
> fund
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollars"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, she concluded, "never, ever did I talk about,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> well,
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gee,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country or a continent, I just don't know about
> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> issue."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know, I know... her heart is in the right place
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> (and so
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> R22RumRunner wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No Hard Feelings...to the democrats
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The election day is  over,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The talking is done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My party lost, your  party won.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So let us be friends,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let arguments  pass.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll hug my elephant,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You kiss your  ass.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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