[Rhodes22-list] Extension bar use
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Fri Oct 3 00:28:32 EDT 2008
OK, that makes sense to me. I have a friend that I did a gulf-crossing
with. He told me if you could isolate the intake on a diesel so that no
water was coming in, only air, you could run them under water. That
looks like his point got proven.
Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Herb,
>
> I isolated the attached image (all the way down at the bottom of the email,
> tractor.jpg) from the video. I think that it clearly shows a raised air
> intake filter (circled.) While I don't think that it is a good idea, it
> surely keeps the engine running.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Thursday, October 02,
> 2008 5:55 PM
>
>> OK, one of you mechanical types tell me how that engine kept running
>> when it was completely submerged. Did he have a hose or something for
>> the intake?
>>
>> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>
>>> When we used to launch with our Chevy Blazer, we always had the
>>> tailpipe bubbling. Never seemed to do any damage, never stalled. We
>>> would have just the very end of the tailpipe in the water.
>>>
>>> Once saw a guy at a lake in NJ launching a small boat with a SAAB
>>> sedan. He had some sort of flexible tubing attached to his tail pipe
>>> with a hose clamp. The tubing was attached to a frame that held the
>>> open end way above the trunk of the car. He backed WAY in.
>>>
>>> Of course I've also seen the pictures of guys who ended up launching
>>> their pickup when they backed in too far and it did stall. Or you
>>> could launch your R22 like this:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU6k40iyvH4&feature=related
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>
>>>
>>> At 12:47 PM 10/2/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> Good question.
>>>>
>>>> Now you got me thinking, I guess the pressure of the water in the
>>>> exhaust pipe would have to be greater then the pressure of the
>>>> exhaust gas coming out of the pipe to cause any problems, like
>>>> choking the engine and causing it to stall.
>>>>
>>>> What has been your experience in submerging an exhaust pipe while
>>>> launching a boat, as you can see I've never ventured that deep?
>>>>
>>>> Caesar
>>>>
>>>> Caesar
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 10/1/08, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Extension bar use
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:54 PM
>>>>
>>>> Caesar,
>>>> Why would you have to stop when the exhaust pipe starts to belch?
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/1/2008 4:39:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>> caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> I have had my boat for about 4 months now and have launched and
>>>> retrieved
>>>> weekly for the first two months. I have launched without, and with the
>>>> extension. It has been easier for me to extend the bar after I unhitch
>>>> from
>>>> the tow
>>>> vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> Both the angle of the ramp, and the height of the tow vehicle dictate
>>>> whether you use the extender or not. I have been able to launch on all
>>>> my
>>>> ramps
>>>> without using the extension bar. The rear wheels got wet, and,
>>>> regardless of
>>>> your vehicle, you would need to stop when your exhaust pipe begins to
>>>> belch.
>>>>
>>>> Caesar
>>>> Gentle Breeze
>>>> 1984 Recycled 2008
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 10/1/08, ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: ben <benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Extension bar use
>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'"
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 11:07 AM
>>>>
>>>> Do most of you find that you need the extension bar? My normal launch
>>>> gets
>>>> deep enough fast enough that I don't need to use it at all.
>>>>
>>>> Ben S.
>>>> R22 Velvet Elvis
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
>>>> Weisner
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:57 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Extension bar use
>>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> I have played the same game of "catch the pin" many times. Proper
>>>> adjustment of the trailer height using the trailer jack and lots of
>>>> fresh
>>>> grease on the tongue extension make the job much easier, whether the
>>>> car is
>>>> used or you do it by hand. My new extension tongue is slightly longer
>>>> (1
>>>> foot) and has a stop fixed to the end to prevent pulling it all the way
>>>> out,
>>>>
>>>> just in case.
>>>>
>>>> We used to launch or retrieve in 30-45 minutes with a trained crew of
>>>> 3-4.
>>>> Now, my wife and I are able to accomplish the task in about an hour or
>>>> so,
>>>> including rigging while on the water. I found that I spent too much
>>>> time
>>>> climbing up and down the boat while still on the trailer to rig. We
>>>> just
>>>> extend the tongue, launch, VERIFY NO LEAKS, motor out, drop the hook,
>>>> step
>>>> the mast and rig in the river. Now we have no overheads to worry about
>>>> while on the trailer.
>>>>
>>>> If you require help, we are in Kings Park, probably not that far from
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Andrew Collins" <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>Sent:
>>>> Wednesday,
>>>> October 01, 2008 11:35 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>> The extension bar is a real help in launching and retrieving, the only
>>>>> catch
>>>>> is sliding it in and out and lining up the fast-pin holes while you
>>>>> are
>>>>> driving. This is especially aggravating if you are alone. The easy
>>>>> solution
>>>>> we came up with is to pull the extension bar out by hand, re-hitch it
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> tow vehicle and proceed to launch, or vice versa.
>>>>>
>>>>> A little game has evolved out of this as well if there is a driver and
>>>>> a
>>>>> fast-pin inserter: slowly drive forward pulling the extension bar out
>>>>> (with
>>>>> the trailer chocked!), fast-pin guy yelling 'slow', SLOWER",
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> GOT IT! as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> holes appear. As with all things, practice makes perfect. Pretty soon
>>>>> you'll
>>>>> know exactly where that hole is inside the front support sleeve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too many of us launch and retrieve alone, and one gets pretty good at
>>>>> a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of things. It goes much faster with an extra pair of hands, and then
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> is a good reason to crack a cold one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>> s/v Carmen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Joe Babb <joe.babb at comcast.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Wally,
>>>>>> Sharon and I trailer sail our Rhodes 22. We find that extending the
>>>>>> trailer tongue to launch and retrieve is the most
>>>>>> aggravating thing about it. Otherwise things go quite smoothly with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> mast hoist system. It just takes time and patience.
>>>>>> It takes us about 1.5 to 2 hours to rig and launch. That's from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> parking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> at the launch ramp to parking the truck and
>>>>>> trailer. The best tip is to minimize the amount of time you spend
>>>>>> getting on and off the boat through planning your
>>>>>> work. We tow with a Chevy 2500 Silverado. We usually get 16 -18 mpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the highway without towing. On the way
>>>>>> back across the Smoky Mountains from Edenton we got about 12 mpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> average
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> towing the Rhodes.
>>>>>> Going up steep hills usually slows us down to 40 or 45. We found the
>>>>>> boat tows well at 55 mph.
>>>>>> So far, I've always just jumped in the water and led Harmony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> onto
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> trailer. The trailer extension is a pain, but also
>>>>>> very nice as it gets you far enough into the water to avoid having
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> use muscle power to launch.
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>
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