[Rhodes22-list] Stan on Pointing

Sat Oct 4 12:35:17 EDT 2008

Stan,

I already have all my junk forward that is practical, but next time I have a
chubby crew member on board I'll stick her up front and see if I can get 35
degrees.  I'll get the 5th degree to the nth degree if my wife reads this.

Lee

stanleyl wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> thanks for the note - you obviously know as much or more than I do about 
> pointing.   I wish Lee would try the weight shift test and report his 
> results.
> 
> we will eventually get to the boom room inventorying - maybe after 
> Annapolis.
> 
> tell me you really are not voting for John Bush and his back up if he 
> doesn't last the 4 rounds,  who had that voodoo fellow lay his hands on
> her 
> to purge her witch side.
> 
> ss/ec
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:31 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan on Pointing
> 
> 
>> Stan,
>>
>> I know absolutely nothing about pointing, and I'm planning to learn
>> about it on my boat next year.
>>
>> It seems different people on this list mean different things by the term
>> "pointing".
>>
>> Peter refers me to my GPS, which measures the direction the GPS has
>> traveled.
>>
>> Others refer me to my compass, which measures the direction the bow is
>> "pointing".
>>
>> Others speak of how well catamarans "point" while some of the literature
>> I read says they don't point as well as mono-hulled boats.
>>
>> I have never noticed a pointing problem on my boat.
>>
>> I can point directly into the wind...Of course, I sail backward when I
>> do that, so this skill is useful only in certain situations.  As I point
>> closer and closer into the wind, I go slower and slower, until I begin
>> to think "maybe I would arrive at my destination faster if I took a
>> longer route with more favorable wind."  I understand this to be the
>> central issue in racing.
>>
>> When you heave-to you can cause your bow to "point" almost any angle
>> into the wind, while the boat itself slips sideways.  Unable to point by
>> one definition, great pointing by another.
>>
>> Instead of simply moving a lot of junk forward, I have removed a lot of
>> junk from my boat.  It sails very high in the water, bow down.  I have a
>> light engine, and I keep your anchor on the bow for ballast.  I sail
>> single-handed most of the time, and always when I'm experimenting.
>>
>> Also, I sail the boat flat, as designed, and I read that sailing flat
>> improves pointing.
>>
>> Of course, the centerboard must be down for pointing.
>>
>> There is no question that a J-24 will sail better than an R-22 into the
>> wind under most conditions.  On the other hand, I was recently competing
>> with a J-24 for bragging rights on getting back to our moorings and I
>> won because the J-24 grounded itself, and I didn't.
>>
>> Congratulations on Cindy's book.  I'm ordering a copy from Amazon:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Bubble-Economy-Profit-When/dp/047175367X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1222439170&sr=1-1
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> stan wrote:
>>> dedicated to Dr. Krawitz (Paul to his fellow Rhodies) re pointing, to 
>>> Rummy
>>> for reminding me and Ed and Dan and others for responding to my "Test".
>>>
>>> I attempted this some time ago but it seems I had been excommunicated 
>>> from
>>> the List for ignoring the don't tell code on my take on religion.  MM
>>> now
>>> has me back in temporary good standing but did not pass on the blocked
>>> message,  I sent it off List to John to post but he may not have
>>> received
>>> it.  I sent it off List to Rummy to post but it looks like he did not
>>> get 
>>> it
>>> either so, having passed the "test",  I will try again:
>>>
>>>
>>> Lee, I need a curious Rhodie to give my guess a try.
>>>
>>> When Phil designed the boat he had no idea we would build it so good or
>>>  that there would be a UPP on the transom or that owners would over
>>> stuff
>>> the lazaret and
>>>  themselves, so it sits too low at the stern.
>>>
>>> It is my guess that if the nose of the boat were lowered in the water:
>>>     a)    The transom would come up leading to less turbulence (more 
>>> speed)
>>>     b)    The water line would increase leading to better wave formation
>>> (more speed)
>>>     c)    The fin's center of effort would move slightly more forward
>>> leading to better helm (possibly more speed)
>>>     d)    And pointing ability would improve.
>>>
>>> Lee, try putting 200 pounds or more temporary ballast way forward in the 
>>> V
>>> berth and then put your boat through all your double blind tests and
>>> call
>>> Dr. Krawitz in the morning.
>>>
>>> One other TRICK, if you have the energy:
>>>
>>>     The large spreader width on the Rhodes was designed to make using
>>> the
>>> shrouds as vertical life lines, when walking to the bow via the boat's 
>>> cabin
>>> side decks, comfortable.    Drastically cut back the length of the 
>>> spreader
>>> tubes.  This will allow better pointing using the full genoa, or any 
>>> genoa
>>> size larger than can be used when switching to the secondary genoa jib 
>>> sheet
>>> leads inside the upper shrouds.
>>>
>>> Allow we proud parents an aside:  Now that we are all socialists I want 
>>> to
>>> remind you that Cindy's book, "America's Bubble Economy" (Barnes and 
>>> Noble)
>>> was right on the money.  You do not want to hear what the economists 
>>> behind
>>> this book are predicting from here on ..............
>>>
>>> ss
>>>
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