[Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

Thu Oct 9 10:21:34 EDT 2008

Tootle

The term fall line did come out of a box, which in this case is a branch of
science called physics, and denotes the line of descent down a slope that
maximizes the pull of gravity, i.e. the steepest gradient.

I know what 'heaving to' is, but I was describing altering course to a broad
reach from a close reach so the boat would sail/surf down the face of the
swell as it passed under the boat with the wind and the shortest distance to
the trough aligned . This caused less heeling as the boat was not sailing
across the inclined face of the wave, but down it. Once in the trough, I
hardened up and resumed a reach, then repeated. Hence the zig-zag course. It
is not heaving to. You seem to have misunderstood me yet again.

The glossary you attached does not list a term that describes the
relationship of the alignment of the topography of slope and gravity. Fall
line, in this sense appears to be useful and applicable, even if the slope
is liquid and in motion.

You do know what a gradient is, don't you? Or do you need to go back to
school to learn that as well as some other lessons having to do with being
civil? Amazing what a little science can clarify. This stuff even applies to
South Carolina.

This will allow the guy in South Carolina to understand the guy on LI Sound.
'Fall line', it even has a nice ring to it.

Please note :

Civilization is not inherited; it has to be learned and earned by each
generation anew; if the transmission should be interrupted for one century,
civilization would die, and we should be savages again." Will and Ariel
Durant

You are also hypocritical in the subject line enforcement department, as you
always add something political at the end, but never indicate this in the
SL.

If you are going to pick on a post, at least do your homework. Is your
affliction bothering you again?
Thanks for the glossary, it is quite a nice one. It does not however, list
the meaning of 'surf' or 'surfing'.

Andrew
sv Carmen

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:

>
> Bill Effros said, "Heaving to under these conditions is a kick, and
> definitely what I would do if I found myself in a storm not on purpose."
>
> Mary Lou said, "We've never been successful getting the boat to heave…"
>
> David B. said, "Is fall line actually a nautical term…"
>
> Andrew, I have gotten the message that you do not like to research and
> would
> rather pull terms out of a box.  However, nautical jargon is used to
> describe specifics.  Look here:
>
> http://www.marinewaypoints.com/learn/glossary/glossary.shtml#H
>
> Scroll down to:  "Heave To" - To stop a boat and maintain position (with
> some leeway) by balancing rudder and sail to prevent forward movement, a
> boat stopped this way is "hove to"; such as when in heavy seas. The idea is
> to bring the wind onto the weather bow and hold the ship in that position,
> where she can safely and easily ride out a storm.
>
> Amazing, the meaning of nautical terms.  And this stuff even applies on the
> Long Island Sound.  Nautical jargon when used gives the guy on Puget Sound
> the accurate message.  Bookmark the page so as to maybe use nautical terms
> [Having to do with boats, ships, or sailing.], even if just to sound good.
>
> "Civilization is not inherited; it has to be learned and earned by each
> generation anew; if the transmission should be interrupted for one century,
> civilization would die, and we should be savages again." Will and Ariel
> Durant
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "As a result of a near mutiny the overbearing and arrogant Captain Obama
> was
> forced to see a psychiatrist by order of the commodore. As soon as Captain
> Obama became comfortable on the couch, the psychiatrist began the session
> by
> asking the captain, "Why don't you start at the beginning?" The Captain
> Obama said, " Okay. In the beginning I created heaven and the earth......."
>
>
>
> Mary Lou Troy-2 wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> > What size jib when you heave to in those conditions. You have a 175
> right?
> >
> > We've never been successful getting the boat to heave to but we
> > haven't practised much and we may not have tried it in enough wind.
> > Do you find you can heave to in winds less than 10 knots?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > At 12:33 AM 10/8/2008, you wrote:
> >>Andrew,
> >>
> >>I've sailed in the same place under the same conditions.
> >>
> >>I find I can control the boat up into 20-25 mph wind conditions.
> >>
> >>I sail with far less than 50% of both sails, and can maintain sustained
> >>over ground speeds between 7 and 11 kts--exceeding theoretical hull
> >>speed by planing on the waves.  I try not to heel at all, and roll up my
> >>175 to storm sail size--tiny just for balance.
> >>
> >>The main drives the boat, and I set it at any size that will not cause
> >>heeling.
> >>
> >>It is almost impossible to come about under these conditions factoring
> >>in the waves.  I always jibe...carefully, with a very small main, and
> >>just a small "pop" when I change tacks.  I generally sail with the boom
> >>up so I don't have to worry about getting killed by a small mistake.  My
> >>main is so small, the higher boom does not create heeling.
> >>
> >>Heaving to under these conditions is a kick, and definitely what I would
> >>do if I found myself in a storm not on purpose. If you didn't try it
> >>when you were out there, you should next time.  You bob like a cork in
> >>complete calm.  I had lunch, then released the jib in such a way that I
> >>headed on the opposite tack and came home.
> >>
> >>Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Andrew Collins wrote:
> >> > Question for blue water and Great Lakes (maybe) sailors:
> >> >
> >> > The day before Hanna, the one before Ike, was due to roll in, I took a
> >> sail
> >> > to try the boat out in unusual conditions. The wind was steady out of
> >> the
> >> > east at about 15-20 mph with rolling 5-6' swells 20' apart once
> >> out of port.
> >> > On LI Sound waves are uncommon, as it is usually only choppy. So going
> >> out
> >> > the tack was port on a reach and crossing the swells at less than 90
> >> deg.
> >> > This was sailing into, up and over the swells, which was controllable,
> >> the
> >> > sails reefed to 50% area. Boom down, life jacket on, pulse up. The
> boat
> >> > behaved well. Upon approaching Payee Reach which gets more air
> >> and having to
> >> > cross a more shallow area the swells got larger as the bottom pushed
> >> them
> >> > up. So this got a little too exciting sooo, it was time to tack and
> >> turn
> >> > back. The wind was too stiff and the the swells enough so she wouldn't
> >> come
> >> > around, and I fell off to the former port tack.
> >> >
> >> > Keeping a weather eye on the swells a quick jibe got me on a starboard
> >> tack
> >> > headed back towards port. So now we are sailing across and with 'down'
> >> the
> >> > swells, where before we were sailing 'up'. The boat is heeling to port
> >> and
> >> > when sailing down, the heeling is being accentuated by going downhill
> >> on an
> >> > angle across the swell, a new experience. This I did not like, so
> >> whenever
> >> > the boat started to head down a wave I fell off to brad reach and
> >> headed
> >> > straighter down the wave (closer to the fall line) and headed up
> again,
> >> > describing a zig-zag course. This I liked as there was a bit of
> surfing
> >> > involved. Having had my fun I headed home, where the first mate
> >> observed
> >> > that I looked a mite piqued.
> >> >
> >> > What have other R22 sailors done in these circumstances, besides
> >> avoiding
> >> > them? In how much wind are you able to tack? My boat will tack up to
> >> about
> >> > 20 mph, depending on the seas.
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> > s/v Carmen
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