[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert

Thu Oct 9 22:44:33 EDT 2008

Herb,

The very short version of a very long story is that five senators met
with regulators with oversight of Savings & Loans.  Lincoln S&L, owned
by Charles Keating was considered a constituent of all five.  In the
case of McCain, Keating lived in Arizona and had a personal
relationship with the McCain family.  In the case of the other
Senators, Lincoln had offices in their districts.  Lincoln went
belly-up during the S&L crisis and the 'gubment' got stuck for a 2
Billion dollar tab. Keating went to jail. The Senate ethics committee
investigated the five - Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini , John Glenn,
John McCain, and Donald W. Riegle and found no wrongdoing on McCain
and Glen's part but they were caught-up in a witch hunt that turned
political.  The other three were found guilty of ethical lapses.
McCain admitted it was bad judgement on his part and the case was
largely responsible for his pledge to be an ethical reformer.  Far
from being a black mark on his career, it could be seen as a pivotal
moment that changed him forever.  The bottom line - money corrupts.

Brad

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> I have only vague memories of it, and keep in mind, I'm no McCain fan.
>
> So, I'll ask again, what was his involvement?
>
> JbTek wrote:
>> Herb,
>> I remember that scandle well. McCain was involved up to his neck.
>> I remember shaking my head in disgust when he was re-elected again.
>> McCain is no better than Keating....he should have gone to jail also.
>> He just got away with it......again, our legal system at work.
>> Jb
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>
>>
>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> Is it your assertion that because Ayers wasn't convicted, that he wasn't
>>> involved?
>>>
>>> And yes, Keating was convicted. What exactly did McCain have to do with
>>> what Keating did?
>>>
>>>
>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>
>>>> more time has been spent looking into this than anything else because it
>>>> would be a game changer. but they just can't find anything, so the
>>>>
>> tactic is
>>
>>>> to only conjecture about it and question obamas 'character' as
>>>>
>> un-american,
>>
>>>> rather than dealing with the very real crisis issues that we are facing.
>>>> ayers was not convicted of anything. keating sure as hell was. mccain
>>>>
>> helped
>>
>>>> destroy thousands of peoples finances during the S&L crisis and we paid.
>>>>
>> PS.
>>
>>>> I am very very sorry for your terrible family tragedy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So why isn't he on Fox telling his story? I'm sure very few people know
>>>>> these kind of details. I think it would have a big impact.
>>>>>  I know it would with anyone who has been a victim of violent crime.
>>>>> Jb
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a would be victim in his own words.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can draw your own conclusions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not all
>>>>>>>
>> bad
>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>> My brother was robbed, then shot in the back & left to die 3 days
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christmas. He was 37 years old with 2 kids. His youngest son shot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> himself in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the chest last Christmas & died.
>>>>>>> Are you telling me that this unrepentent terrorist, who killed no
>>>>>>>
>> one,
>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> more evil than the person that devistated our family?
>>>>>>>  I don't think so.
>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter and Robert:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayers comments published on September 11, 2001, Ayers had this to
>>>>>>>>
>> say
>>
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> his bombing past, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do
>>>>>>>> enough."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama keeps saying what Ayers did 40 years ago or 20 years ago is
>>>>>>>>
>> not
>>
>>>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would have fewer problems with Obama's association if in fact
>>>>>>>>
>> Ayers
>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> repentant and repudiated his actions when he was in his 20's.  Some
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do make mistakes and grow up.  However, Obama associates with an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> unrepentant
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> terrorist, Bill Ayers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The above were reported public comments made just seven years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after a terrorist attack on USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama said he would sit down with foreign terrorist groups to
>>>>>>>>
>> resolve
>>
>>>>>>>> grievances.  He would sit down with Akmenijad.  Obviously he would
>>>>>>>>
>> sit
>>
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with them because he still sits down with an American Terrorist, his
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fellow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> board member, Bill Ayers.  He does not see any problem with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> terrorists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue here is Ayers is an unrepentant and unchanged American
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> terrorist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can you justify supporting evil?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not defined by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> individual
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> choice.  Moral clarity is not necessarily a religious issue.  "A
>>>>>>>>
>> lack
>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moral clarity is why people living in free societies can come to see
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> their
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fellow citizens as their enemies and foreign dictators as their
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> friends."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Natan Sharansky
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not necessarily a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> religious
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> topic.  Different societies have by various paths come to similar
>>>>>>>> definitions of good and evil.  By acceptable definitions,
>>>>>>>>
>> unrepentant
>>
>>>>> evil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is bad.  Freely associating with a person who by most standards is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> evil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrong.  Supporting an evil person, for whatever reasons, is
>>>>>>>>
>> assisting
>>
>>>>> in a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> conspiracy of evil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> more
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>> [no addendum for Andrew]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.nabble.com/POLITICAL---Peter-and-Robert-tp19896352p19896352.html
>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
>>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go
>>>>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>