[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert

Thu Oct 9 22:57:59 EDT 2008

Brad,
That's like saying "Bill Ayers wasn't found quilty of any wrong doing" so 
he's innocent.
I don't care what they found, he was Keatings good buddy & knew what was 
going on & supported him.
Alot of people lost everything. He was exonerated by his Senate buddies, 
they seem to stick together.
 Do you really believe that experience was worse than being a POW for 5 
years?
 That's hard to believe.
Jb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert

> Jb,
>
> Not true!  Neither McCain or John Glen "were in it up to their neck".
> Neither were found guilty of any wrongdoing, in fact, the investigator
> suggested that McCain be dropped but the Democrats didn't want it to
> be an all Democratic affair and the Republicans fought against Glenn
> being dropped without McCain.  They, McCain and Glen, WERE guilty of
> bad judgement for being present for a total of two meetings, but both
> were exonerated by the Senate. McCain described it as the worst
> experience of his life, worse than being a POW for 5+ years.  It
> changed him forever and influenced his subsequent support for campaign
> finance reform (McCain-Feindgold) and eventually accepting public
> financing for his Presidential race. Ironically, John Glen introduced
> Bruce Springsteen at an Obama fundraiser last week.  Glen was in the
> wrong place at the wrong time. Senator Glen is a good man and his
> reputation was unnecessarily stained.  Ditto McCain.
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>> Herb,
>> I remember that scandle well. McCain was involved up to his neck.
>> I remember shaking my head in disgust when he was re-elected again.
>> McCain is no better than Keating....he should have gone to jail also.
>> He just got away with it......again, our legal system at work.
>> Jb
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>
>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> Is it your assertion that because Ayers wasn't convicted, that he wasn't
>>> involved?
>>>
>>> And yes, Keating was convicted. What exactly did McCain have to do with
>>> what Keating did?
>>>
>>>
>>> petelargo wrote:
>>> > more time has been spent looking into this than anything else because 
>>> > it
>>> > would be a game changer. but they just can't find anything, so the
>> tactic is
>>> > to only conjecture about it and question obamas 'character' as
>> un-american,
>>> > rather than dealing with the very real crisis issues that we are 
>>> > facing.
>>> > ayers was not convicted of anything. keating sure as hell was. mccain
>> helped
>>> > destroy thousands of peoples finances during the S&L crisis and we 
>>> > paid.
>> PS.
>>> > I am very very sorry for your terrible family tragedy.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Just bent wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So why isn't he on Fox telling his story? I'm sure very few people 
>>> >> know
>>> >> these kind of details. I think it would have a big impact.
>>> >>  I know it would with anyone who has been a victim of violent crime.
>>> >> Jb
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:38 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Jb,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here's a would be victim in his own words.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You can draw your own conclusions.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Brad
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ed wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not all
>> bad
>>> >>>>
>>> >> or
>>> >>
>>> >>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer is
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> more
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ed,
>>> >>>> My brother was robbed, then shot in the back & left to die 3 days
>>> >>>>
>>> >>> before
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Christmas. He was 37 years old with 2 kids. His youngest son shot
>>> >>>>
>>> >> himself in
>>> >>
>>> >>>> the chest last Christmas & died.
>>> >>>> Are you telling me that this unrepentent terrorist, who killed no
>> one,
>>> >>>>
>>> >> is
>>> >>
>>> >>>> more evil than the person that devistated our family?
>>> >>>>  I don't think so.
>>> >>>> Jb
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> >>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:40 AM
>>> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Peter and Robert:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ayers comments published on September 11, 2001, Ayers had this to
>> say
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> about
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> his bombing past, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't 
>>> >>>>> do
>>> >>>>> enough."
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Obama keeps saying what Ayers did 40 years ago or 20 years ago is
>> not
>>> >>>>> important.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I would have fewer problems with Obama's association if in fact
>> Ayers
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> was
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> repentant and repudiated his actions when he was in his 20's. 
>>> >>>>> Some
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> people
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> do make mistakes and grow up.  However, Obama associates with an
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> unrepentant
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> terrorist, Bill Ayers.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The above were reported public comments made just seven years ago.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> Just
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> after a terrorist attack on USA.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Obama said he would sit down with foreign terrorist groups to
>> resolve
>>> >>>>> grievances.  He would sit down with Akmenijad.  Obviously he would
>> sit
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> down
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> with them because he still sits down with an American Terrorist, 
>>> >>>>> his
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> fellow
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> board member, Bill Ayers.  He does not see any problem with
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>> terrorists.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>> The issue here is Ayers is an unrepentant and unchanged American
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>> terrorist.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> How can you justify supporting evil?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not defined by
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> individual
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> choice.  Moral clarity is not necessarily a religious issue.  "A
>> lack
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> of
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> moral clarity is why people living in free societies can come to 
>>> >>>>> see
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> their
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> fellow citizens as their enemies and foreign dictators as their
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> friends."
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> Natan Sharansky
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not necessarily a
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> religious
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> topic.  Different societies have by various paths come to similar
>>> >>>>> definitions of good and evil.  By acceptable definitions,
>> unrepentant
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> evil
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> is bad.  Freely associating with a person who by most standards is
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>> evil
>>> >>>
>>> >> is
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> wrong.  Supporting an evil person, for whatever reasons, is
>> assisting
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> in a
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> conspiracy of evil.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not 
>>> >>>>> all
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>> bad
>>> >>>
>>> >> or
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer 
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>>
>>> >> more
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ed K
>>> >>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>> >>>>> [no addendum for Andrew]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> View this message in context:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/POLITICAL---Peter-and-Robert-tp19896352p19896352.html
>>> >>
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