[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert

Thu Oct 9 23:10:36 EDT 2008

Jb,

The issue is/was, did someone accept money to effect a regulatory
change in favor of a S&L owner?  The Senate ethics committee decided
that in the case of three, yes.  In the case of Glen and McCain, no.
McCain later admitted that just the appearance of wrong doing was
reason enough not to have gotten involved.  He described it as being
worse than his POW experience because his honesty and integrity was at
stake. Did McCain know what was going on with the S&L business?  I
don't know the answer to that, but he did know what was going on with
Fannie & Freddie and that is why he proposed legislation in 2005 to
reign them in - maybe he learned his lessons from the S&L problems.

No money was found in the freezer by the way.

Ayers admits he was guilty and brags about it with his statement,
"guilty as hell, free as a bird".

Brad

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Jb <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
> Brad,
> That's like saying "Bill Ayers wasn't found quilty of any wrong doing" so
> he's innocent.
> I don't care what they found, he was Keatings good buddy & knew what was
> going on & supported him.
> Alot of people lost everything. He was exonerated by his Senate buddies,
> they seem to stick together.
>  Do you really believe that experience was worse than being a POW for 5
> years?
>  That's hard to believe.
> Jb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>
>
>> Jb,
>>
>> Not true!  Neither McCain or John Glen "were in it up to their neck".
>> Neither were found guilty of any wrongdoing, in fact, the investigator
>> suggested that McCain be dropped but the Democrats didn't want it to
>> be an all Democratic affair and the Republicans fought against Glenn
>> being dropped without McCain.  They, McCain and Glen, WERE guilty of
>> bad judgement for being present for a total of two meetings, but both
>> were exonerated by the Senate. McCain described it as the worst
>> experience of his life, worse than being a POW for 5+ years.  It
>> changed him forever and influenced his subsequent support for campaign
>> finance reform (McCain-Feindgold) and eventually accepting public
>> financing for his Presidential race. Ironically, John Glen introduced
>> Bruce Springsteen at an Obama fundraiser last week.  Glen was in the
>> wrong place at the wrong time. Senator Glen is a good man and his
>> reputation was unnecessarily stained.  Ditto McCain.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>> Herb,
>>> I remember that scandle well. McCain was involved up to his neck.
>>> I remember shaking my head in disgust when he was re-elected again.
>>> McCain is no better than Keating....he should have gone to jail also.
>>> He just got away with it......again, our legal system at work.
>>> Jb
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>> Is it your assertion that because Ayers wasn't convicted, that he wasn't
>>>> involved?
>>>>
>>>> And yes, Keating was convicted. What exactly did McCain have to do with
>>>> what Keating did?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>> > more time has been spent looking into this than anything else because
>>>> > it
>>>> > would be a game changer. but they just can't find anything, so the
>>> tactic is
>>>> > to only conjecture about it and question obamas 'character' as
>>> un-american,
>>>> > rather than dealing with the very real crisis issues that we are
>>>> > facing.
>>>> > ayers was not convicted of anything. keating sure as hell was. mccain
>>> helped
>>>> > destroy thousands of peoples finances during the S&L crisis and we
>>>> > paid.
>>> PS.
>>>> > I am very very sorry for your terrible family tragedy.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Just bent wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> So why isn't he on Fox telling his story? I'm sure very few people
>>>> >> know
>>>> >> these kind of details. I think it would have a big impact.
>>>> >>  I know it would with anyone who has been a victim of violent crime.
>>>> >> Jb
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:38 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Jb,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Here's a would be victim in his own words.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You can draw your own conclusions.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Brad
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:52 AM, JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Ed wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not all
>>> bad
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> or
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer is
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> more
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Ed,
>>>> >>>> My brother was robbed, then shot in the back & left to die 3 days
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> before
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> Christmas. He was 37 years old with 2 kids. His youngest son shot
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> himself in
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> the chest last Christmas & died.
>>>> >>>> Are you telling me that this unrepentent terrorist, who killed no
>>> one,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >> is
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> more evil than the person that devistated our family?
>>>> >>>>  I don't think so.
>>>> >>>> Jb
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>> >>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:40 AM
>>>> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Peter and Robert
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> Peter and Robert:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Ayers comments published on September 11, 2001, Ayers had this to
>>> say
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> about
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> his bombing past, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't
>>>> >>>>> do
>>>> >>>>> enough."
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Obama keeps saying what Ayers did 40 years ago or 20 years ago is
>>> not
>>>> >>>>> important.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I would have fewer problems with Obama's association if in fact
>>> Ayers
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> was
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> repentant and repudiated his actions when he was in his 20's.
>>>> >>>>> Some
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> people
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> do make mistakes and grow up.  However, Obama associates with an
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> unrepentant
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> terrorist, Bill Ayers.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> The above were reported public comments made just seven years ago.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> Just
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> after a terrorist attack on USA.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Obama said he would sit down with foreign terrorist groups to
>>> resolve
>>>> >>>>> grievances.  He would sit down with Akmenijad.  Obviously he would
>>> sit
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> down
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> with them because he still sits down with an American Terrorist,
>>>> >>>>> his
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> fellow
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> board member, Bill Ayers.  He does not see any problem with
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>> terrorists.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>> The issue here is Ayers is an unrepentant and unchanged American
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> terrorist.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> How can you justify supporting evil?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not defined by
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> individual
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> choice.  Moral clarity is not necessarily a religious issue.  "A
>>> lack
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> of
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> moral clarity is why people living in free societies can come to
>>>> >>>>> see
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> their
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> fellow citizens as their enemies and foreign dictators as their
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> friends."
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> Natan Sharansky
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Evil or the difference between good and bad is not necessarily a
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> religious
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> topic.  Different societies have by various paths come to similar
>>>> >>>>> definitions of good and evil.  By acceptable definitions,
>>> unrepentant
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> evil
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> is bad.  Freely associating with a person who by most standards is
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>> evil
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> is
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> wrong.  Supporting an evil person, for whatever reasons, is
>>> assisting
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> in a
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> conspiracy of evil.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Bad or evil can be differentiated into degrees of badness.  Not
>>>> >>>>> all
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>> bad
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> or
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> evil is of the same level of wrong.  A thief is bad.  A murderer
>>>> >>>>> is
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >> more
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>>> bad.  An unrepentant terrorist is most bad.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Ed K
>>>> >>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>> >>>>> [no addendum for Andrew]
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/POLITICAL---Peter-and-Robert-tp19896352p19896352.html
>>>> >>
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>>>> >>>>>
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