[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Jay B.s post
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Fri Oct 10 18:43:52 EDT 2008
I meant the bumper sticker itself was too hard to read. I read it, but I
don't think passing motorists would be able to.
"Couldn't" might have been the wrong word, wouldn't is likely more
appropriate. I think people totally misunderstand the "Freedom of
Speech" issue. Yes, by all means this company has the right to sell
them, and I would in no means want to legally restrict that right.
However, I not only have the right, but I feel I have the moral duty to
determine for myself, who I'm going to support.
When a company feels it's proper (and I believe it goes beyond "bad
taste") to sell bumper stickers advocating the killing of another human
being because of their distaste for that person, that's enough for me
that I would not purchase from them.
Yes, Wal-Mart has things that are in bad taste, but not that bad. I
don't mind buy from a Wal-Mart that sells cigarettes, nor do I mind
buying from one that sells ashtrays that say "put your butt here" and
shaped like a pig's butt. However, if they sold KKK banners, I'd be
shopping elsewhere.
Call it extreme if you like, I don't mind being extreme.
At the company I work for, there are about 35 employees currently. Out
of those 35, only one is my boss, the majority owner. He has two
partners, but neither of them have enough ownership to outvote him, and
actually one of them reports to me in the org chart.I've known and
worked for him in one capacity for another for 18 years. By this time
next year, he and I fully expect that I will be a minority partner (I
won't change my race or gender, but I'll own a piece of the company). If
he were to make the statement shown on that bumper sticker, I would be
looking for a new job the next day.
Call it extreme if you like, I don't mind being extreme.
If one of my family members displayed such a bumper sticker, my response
would depend on the family member, and where I was. An aunt, mother,
cousin, etc, I'd tell them it was rude, and just make it a point not to
be around them while displaying that level of rudeness. Where it one of
my kids or a grandkid (they're not old enough yet, but they will be
someday), I'd tell them that was not the way they were raised, and that
the vehicle would not be allowed in front of my home.
Call it extreme if you like, I don't mind being extreme.
It's funny you mention family, and this may be part of the reason I'd be
"extreme" on a position like this. I was a kid living on military
housing in PA when MLK was killed. My mother, God bless her dear heart,
raised in the tradition of the south at the time, made the comment, in
front of her children "Good, that's one nigger that needed to be shot".
I'll never have a family member think that's OK. BTW, even she has
changed a lot since then. My stepfather is a Mexican National, now a
naturalized citizen.
But, this all goes to people standing up for what they believe. No, "bad
taste" of the cigarette ashtrays shaped like a pig's but is not worth
taking a stand on. However, some things are. Offering that a person
should be murdered because of their skin color or believes fits that
category. And I have no problem doing so in my little world.
I think if more people stood up for their beliefs, we'd have a nicer world.
Call it extreme if you like, I don't mind being extreme.
Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Herb,
>
> You either need to put on your reading specs or get a bigger monitor. The
> first site is touting:
>
> "Sarah Palin - Real Mom making Real Decisions"
>
> As far as the "NOBAMA ..." goes, I tend to think that it is in bad taste,
> but I hesitate to place restrictions on "freedom of speech" - I think that
> is called censure. Who are the people that "let 'freedom of speech' go too
> far?"
>
> Why couldn't you purchase from a company that permits people to display bad
> taste? I would think that there are very few companies that you can
> purchase from in the world today, if this is your yardstick for doing
> business. Can you purchase from Wal-Mart? They will place most anything
> that sells on their shelves.
>
> What would happen if your employer had made such a remark? Would you resign
> your position? If your family member purchased such a bumper sticker? I
> understand that neither you nor I would not display such a sticker, but I
> think that your ultimate position is extreme.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008
> 4:32 PM
>
>> OK, the first one was too hard to read.
>>
>> Frazzle had some interesting ones, and some I even like, but sorry, I
>> couldn't purchase from a company that was selling this one:
>>
>> http://www.zazzle.com/obama_and_his_brother_bumpersticker-128478420646862714
>>
>> I think sometimes people let "freedom of speech" go too far. That was a
>> an example
>>
>> Did you know that there was a guy that registered VPILF.COM two weeks
>> before she was announced? Now THAT was thinking ahead.
>>
>> It actually appears to be a balance of pro/anti Palin stuff. The "my son
>> is in Iraq" clip was pretty good. I had missed that one.
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> Just for you, I found these sites:
>>>
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/witnwhimsy.301292359
>>>
>>> http://www.zazzle.com/bumperstickers
>>>
>>> Both featuring Palin bumper stickers. The Zazzle site has my favorites.
>>>
>>> Herb's bumper sticker:
>>> "I'm voting for Sarah
>>> and that guy she's running with"
>>>
>>> http://www.zazzle.com/im_voting_for_sarah_bumper_sticker_bumpersticker-128485518436142576
>>>
>>> "I'm Pullin' For Pallin"
>>> http://www.zazzle.com/pullinforpalin_com_bumper_sticker_bumpersticker-128295903705675177
>>>
>>> and let's not forget the real reason that she's on the ticket:
>>> "Sarah Palin
>>> Hockey Mom I'd Like to Puck"
>>> http://www.zazzle.com/palin_hockey_mom_id_like_to_puck_bumper_sticker_bumpersticker-128073351367513395
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Friday, October 10,
>>> 2008
>>> 11:56 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>> JB,
>>>>
>>>> You just brought a smile to my face.
>>>>
>>>> I think someone needs to print bumper stickers that say
>>>>
>>>> "Palin for VP"
>>>>
>>>> And let the world see if they can figure out exactly what we're saying.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet there's a bunch (including some on this list) that won't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>> If he didn't understand...he should of.
>>>>> I'm sure he learned a great deal.
>>>>> I agree with you he is way lesser of 2 evils. That's why I'm voting for
>>>>> Sarah Palin for Vice President.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 5 new puppies to take care of. I'm up at least 3 times a night.
>>>>> Jb
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:31 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL - Jay B.s post
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In an earlier post I mentioned McCain's involvement started as
>>>>>> Congressman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, did he understand all the intricacies? I doubt at the time he
>>>>>> did.
>>>>>> Did he ask the right questions to find out if there were problems? I
>>>>>> again
>>>>>> doubt it. Did he learn something? He may have learned since he was
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> asking for better accounting in 2005 of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that I say 'he may have learned'. I cannot say that he did, but
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> is at least some evidence that he understands better now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, back to my discussion of degrees of wrong. Even if he was
>>>>>> trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> protect a financial investment, which I am not convinced he was, how
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> weighed against someone who acquiesces to a Terrorist? Which would be
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> evil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are you doing up at this hour in Phoenix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>> attachment:
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19917360/Documentations.gif
>>>>>> Documentations.gif
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> McCain had also carried a little water for Keating in Washington.
>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the House, McCain, along with a majority of representatives,
>>>>>>> co-sponsored
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> resolution to delay new regulations designed to curb risky
>>>>>>> investments
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> thrifts like Lincoln.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If McCains wife didn't have major investments in Keatings company
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be on the up& up but she did. That's not helping a constituent in a
>>>>>>> proper
>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed, do you really think after someone says there going to squeal,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> wouldn't back off? He's not stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ''The appearance of it was wrong,'' McCain said recently. ''It's a
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper
>>>>>>>> influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.'' John McCain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he knew it was the wrong thing to do, why did he do it....the 2nd
>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>> Why were 3 anymore guilty than 5. They all "backed off" once they
>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> term criminal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Conclusion:
>>>>>>> John McCain was in it up to his neck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19917360/Documentations.gif
>>>>>> Documentations.gif
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