[Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves

Sun Oct 12 19:50:06 EDT 2008

Bill,

11 knots is pretty fast.  Or are you actually measuring in mph?  I can
sustain 5.2 knots while displacing.  My best planing speed is about 7 knots
only momentarily down the face of a wave.  If I see the knotmeter go higher,
its because I'm heeling too much and the paddle wheel is spinning in the
air.

Rick

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:21 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike/Lee - I do this when solo but have friends sailing near by. Usual
> disclaimers apply and I do wear a PFD. Hang on tight!   :-)
>
> Wally
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Leland,
> >
> > Please note that this is a DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME STUNT!  If you are
> going
> > to attempt this, PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT IT WHILE SINGLEHANDING - have
> > another
> > sailor on board who needs to practice MOB drills.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > From: "KUHN, LELAND" <LKUHN at cnmc.org>Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008
> 5:03
> > PM
> >  > Wally,
> > >
> > > I like that stupid trick!  I'm thinking that the drag from a body will
> > > easily turn the boat.  I may need to wait until the water warms up
> again
> > > to give it a try.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Lee
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: TN Rhodey [mailto:tnrhodey at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:28 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves
> > >
> > > When I want to move around and go forward .....   Keep in mind what you
> > > want
> > > to do while away from tiller and what side of the boat your weight will
> > > on.
> > > Trim accordingly. I secure tiller and trim sails with a little extra
> > > weather
> > > or lee helm. If you keep your weight on opposite side you can balance
> > > out.
> > >
> > > I learned lots of stupid sailing tricks as a kid. One can set sails and
> > > tiller, secure a line to aft cleat, and while holding (tightly) bitter
> > > end
> > > of line jump into the water!  Pulling on the line left or right will
> > > make
> > > slight adjustments to course. You can actually sail your R22 with
> no-one
> > > aboard while being dragged behind. I thought this was much safer than
> > > past
> > > activities like slalom water skiing while drinking a beer. :-)
> > >
> > > Note - make sure your swim ladder is down or can be lowered easily from
> > > water. This is very stupid and unsafe. I don't suggest anyone try this.
> > >
> > > Fair Winds,
> > >
> > > Wally
> > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, KUHN, LELAND <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Mike,
> > >>
> > >> You got that right.  Sailing the Rhodes is like surfing on a giant
> > >> longboard.  I haven't noticed much of a difference moving forward but
> > > it
> > >> makes sense that it affects the balance a little.
> > >>
> > >> The more opposing pressure you have above and below the water, the
> > > less
> > >> effect your weight will have on the balance, but you'll probably still
> > >> be able to turn the boat by shifting your weight.  Moving 200 lbs.
> > > from
> > >> one side to the other is a 400 lb. shift on a boat with only a 700 lb.
> > >> keel.
> > >>
> > >> Lee
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Michael D. Weisner [mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:38 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing with waves
> > >>
> > >> Bill,
> > >>
> > >> When you single-hand (sailing that is), don't you find that the
> > >> "balance" is
> > >> upset when you move about?  It seems that no matter how carefully I
> > > set
> > >> the
> > >> sails, hove to or otherwise, as soon as I move, the whole balance
> > >> changes.
> > >> Walking forward into the cabin, even on the centerline of the boat,
> > >> changes
> > >> the heading, although not nearly as much as happens when rummaging
> > >> around in
> > >> the v-berth or going forward to check a line or something.  I weigh
> > >> about
> > >> 200 lbs and cannot move about without altering the "balance."  What is
> > >> your
> > >> secret?
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>
> > >> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>Sent: Wednesday, October 08,
> 2008
> > >> 5:30
> > >> PM
> > >> > Mary Lou,
> > >> >
> > >> > I do have the 175, and I heave to whenever there is any wind at all
> > >> and
> > >> > I need to do something.
> > >> >
> > >> > Usually that "something" is going to the head when I'm single
> > > handing,
> > >> > although I will heave to with people aboard if things are chaotic
> > > and
> > >> I
> > >> > want to calm something down.  Sometimes I heave to because it is
> > > just
> > >> > the most peaceful way to sail, and with all kinds of deep water
> > >> > available, I will heave to for hours, waving off friendlies who stop
> > >> by
> > >> > to see if I'm in trouble.
> > >> >
> > >> > The easiest way to do it (so this is naturally the way I do it most
> > >> > often) is to come about and not release the jib.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you leave the rudder pointed in this direction, you will do a 360
> > >> and
> > >> > continue on the same tack you started.
> > >> >
> > >> > So, after the boom crosses over, you turn the rudder the other way.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then you play with the rudder, pointing more or less into the wind,
> > >> > until the boat gets to where you like the way it feels.  A calm will
> > >> > settle over the boat, the wind will feel like it has lessened, the
> > >> boat
> > >> > will ride on the waves or tide or current without fighting it.
> > >> >
> > >> > The wind's power will push the boat sideways, faster or slower
> > >> depending
> > >> > on how high you decide to point into the wind.
> > >> >
> > >> > Then you lash the tiller in place, and you can forget about it until
> > >> you
> > >> > see obstacles approaching on your leeward side.  (I use dock line
> > > and
> > >> > both aft cleats to lash my tiller -- easy to do -- everything right
> > > at
> > >> > hand -- the tiller won't move an inch once lashed in place.  The
> > > boat
> > >> > will slowly travel in the direction set until you are ready to
> > > release
> > >> > the jib, or come about and take off.
> > >> >
> > >> > I can do it with any amount of sail -- it's just a matter of
> > >> > establishing a balance.  Most of the time I don't change the main
> > >> sail,
> > >> > and just set the sheets so as much wind spills off as I choose.
> > > Since
> > >> I
> > >> > am usually going to the head, and I have a hatch, and I'm a stand-up
> > >> > kind of guy, I reduce the jib so that it doesn't smack me in the
> > > face
> > >> at
> > >> > a time when my hands are otherwise occupied.
> > >> >
> > >> > Under small craft advisory conditions I already have handkerchief
> > >> sized
> > >> > sails, and with that much wind, that's all you need.  I try not to
> > >> reset
> > >> > anything once I'm underway in these conditions.
> > >> >
> > >> > The great thing about heaving to is that everything gets so calm.
> > > You
> > >> > have all the time in the world to experiment, and you won't get
> > > hurt.
> > >> > Roll in the Jib, roll out the main, turn the rudder this way then
> > >> that,
> > >> > watch the water...at some point you realize you're doing it!  There
> > > is
> > >> > nothing to it, and there is the thrill of learning to sail in a very
> > >> > different way.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's useful.  It's safe.  It's easy.  It works in every wind
> > >> condition.
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > >> >> Bill,
> > >> >> What size jib when you heave to in those conditions. You have a 175
> > >> >> right?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> We've never been successful getting the boat to heave to but we
> > >> >> haven't practised much and we may not have tried it in enough wind.
> > >> >> Do you find you can heave to in winds less than 10 knots?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> Mary Lou
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 12:33 AM 10/8/2008, you wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> Andrew,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I've sailed in the same place under the same conditions.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I find I can control the boat up into 20-25 mph wind conditions.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I sail with far less than 50% of both sails, and can maintain
> > >> sustained
> > >> >>> over ground speeds between 7 and 11 kts--exceeding theoretical
> > > hull
> > >> >>> speed by planing on the waves.  I try not to heel at all, and roll
> > >> up my
> > >> >>> 175 to storm sail size--tiny just for balance.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The main drives the boat, and I set it at any size that will not
> > >> cause
> > >> >>> heeling.
> > >> >>> It is almost impossible to come about under these conditions
> > >> factoring
> > >> >>> in the waves.  I always jibe...carefully, with a very small main,
> > >> and
> > >> >>> just a small "pop" when I change tacks.  I generally sail with the
> > >> boom
> > >> >>> up so I don't have to worry about getting killed by a small
> > > mistake.
> > >> My
> > >> >>> main is so small, the higher boom does not create heeling.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Heaving to under these conditions is a kick, and definitely what I
> > >> would
> > >> >>> do if I found myself in a storm not on purpose. If you didn't try
> > > it
> > >> >>> when you were out there, you should next time.  You bob like a
> > > cork
> > >> in
> > >> >>> complete calm.  I had lunch, then released the jib in such a way
> > >> that I
> > >> >>> headed on the opposite tack and came home.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Bill Effros
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Andrew Collins wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Question for blue water and Great Lakes (maybe) sailors:
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> The day before Hanna, the one before Ike, was due to roll in, I
> > >> took a
> > >> >>>> sail
> > >> >>>> to try the boat out in unusual conditions. The wind was steady
> > > out
> > >> of
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> east at about 15-20 mph with rolling 5-6' swells 20' apart once
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>> out of port.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On LI Sound waves are uncommon, as it is usually only choppy. So
> > >> going
> > >> >>>> out
> > >> >>>> the tack was port on a reach and crossing the swells at less than
> > >> 90
> > >> >>>> deg.
> > >> >>>> This was sailing into, up and over the swells, which was
> > >> controllable,
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> sails reefed to 50% area. Boom down, life jacket on, pulse up.
> > > The
> > >> boat
> > >> >>>> behaved well. Upon approaching Payee Reach which gets more air
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>> and having to
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> cross a more shallow area the swells got larger as the bottom
> > >> pushed
> > >> >>>> them
> > >> >>>> up. So this got a little too exciting sooo, it was time to tack
> > > and
> > >>
> > >> >>>> turn
> > >> >>>> back. The wind was too stiff and the the swells enough so she
> > >> wouldn't
> > >> >>>> come
> > >> >>>> around, and I fell off to the former port tack.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Keeping a weather eye on the swells a quick jibe got me on a
> > >> starboard
> > >> >>>> tack
> > >> >>>> headed back towards port. So now we are sailing across and with
> > >> 'down'
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>> swells, where before we were sailing 'up'. The boat is heeling to
> > >> port
> > >> >>>> and
> > >> >>>> when sailing down, the heeling is being accentuated by going
> > >> downhill
> > >> >>>> on an
> > >> >>>> angle across the swell, a new experience. This I did not like, so
> > >> >>>> whenever
> > >> >>>> the boat started to head down a wave I fell off to brad reach and
> > >> >>>> headed
> > >> >>>> straighter down the wave (closer to the fall line) and headed up
> > >> again,
> > >> >>>> describing a zig-zag course. This I liked as there was a bit of
> > >> surfing
> > >> >>>> involved. Having had my fun I headed home, where the first mate
> > >> >>>> observed
> > >> >>>> that I looked a mite piqued.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> What have other R22 sailors done in these circumstances, besides
> > >> >>>> avoiding
> > >> >>>> them? In how much wind are you able to tack? My boat will tack up
> > >> to
> > >> >>>> about
> > >> >>>> 20 mph, depending on the seas.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Andrew
> > >> >>>> s/v Carmen
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Rick