[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That

Sat Oct 18 17:46:52 EDT 2008

PD

None taken, it seemed to me the quality of that particular 'essay' was not
up to par.  My subject line didn't show the 'political', so if it did, my
apology.

The two parts of the 'healthy debate-slug fest' that troubles me is the
grinding use of epithets and personal attacks, to wit, Herb wants to tell me
to stuff it. That is not a debate it is a conversation stopper. The other is
that the back and forth seems to be just shouting, without communication.
It really reminds me of rap music, all shouting and no music.

Been sailing much? Mine is coming out this week, more's the pity.

Andrew
sv Carmen
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Sorry to offend you.  I don't think what I did was any different than what
> many others have done, in terms of reading something that mirrored my
> views and posted it for others to also read.  How is this different than
> some of the left leaning New York Times articles or other MSM stuff that
> has been posted here?  It's from:  http://www.americanthinker.com
>
> What is your problem with the subject line?  I correctly listed it as
> "Political".  Also, I don't call it a lowly slug-fest.  I call it a
> healthy debate.  I don't take offense at any of the left leaning posts.  I
> actually enjoy reading both sides.
>
> Regards,
> Paul D. Grandholm
>
> > Dear pdgrand nospam:
> >
> > awful post
> >
> > " ... when decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost "?
> >
> > This post isn't worthy of even this lowly slug-fest we call a sailing
> > forum.
> >
> > And whaddabout the subject line? Ed where are you?
> >
> > Can we have a new rule: you have to write it yourself not cut and paste
> > any
> > old uncorroborated opinion that oozes across the web?
> > And if Joe is an unlicensed plumber, he is just that. He should be
> > licensed,
> > take the tests, go to trade school. Do unlicensed pilots fly? Do
> > unregistered engineers practice, do unlicensed beauticians give facials?
> > No,
> > they don't
> >
> > This unlicensed tradesman is manipulating gas installations, connections
> > to
> > the public water supply, connectiions to public sewer systems, etc. This
> > work brings with it responsibilities that every municipality requires be
> > satisfied by obtaining a plumbing license before being allowed to this
> > kind
> > of work.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> October 17, 2008
> >>
> >> Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
> >>
> >> By C. Edmund Wright<http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/>
> >>
> >> God love you Joe. Bless your heart Joe.  You, and people like you, are
> >> what makes the country work. You make the country great. You get it --
> >> you
> >> act on it -- and you enrich the lives of your family and your friends
> >> and
> >> your communities and your charities as a result.
> >> But I think what I should say now is "God help you Joe."  Look, 16 plus
> >> years ago I was where you are now. And I must tell you  if Obama wins, I
> >> am pulling the plug in a few months. I am out. I have had it.  I am
> >> preparing to destroy almost 100 jobs and lower my tax bracket and I
> >> can't
> >> wait.
> >>
> >> Consider: 16 years ago I was statistically in poverty, but I had dreams
> >> and a plan. At the time, the remnants of Reaganomics still set the
> >> economic tone and a fired up Newt Gingrich was forcing conservatism on
> >> the
> >> Clinton White House every time Bill and Hillary tried to move left.
> >> There
> >> were actually politicians who praised business owners and business in
> >> general.  Against that backdrop, I've had a pretty good run. It's been
> >> extremely challenging and the move up was not a straight line, but I am
> >> better off than I was 16 years ago. And 8 years ago. And 4 years ago.
> >> And
> >> so are a lot of folks who have been on this ride with me.
> >>
> >> But Joe, I am not better off than I was just 2 years ago. That's when
> >> decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost and four dollar gas
> >> took several hundred thousands from my bottom line faster than I could
> >> possibly react.  That same gas price slammed my customers -- and my
> >> customer's customers -- forcing our company into a vice of rapidly
> >> rising
> >> costs and rapidly dropping revenues. Oh, and for fun, slower payments
> >> from
> >> our customers.
> >>
> >> That started the ripple through the sub prime mortgage industry, and we
> >> have all seen the unraveling of our financial system which was more or
> >> less totally underpinned by real estate "values." Those assumed
> >> valuations
> >> were the basis for any number of derivatives and credit swaps and so on.
> >> Well, forget all that Wall Street talk. To you and me it means employees
> >> are more desperate for money, customers are less willing to buy, slower
> >> to
> >> pay and banks less willing to lend. It certainly means whatever homes
> >> and
> >> 401K's you have are worth less too which makes your bank even less
> >> anxious
> >> to lend to your business. It is the main street carnage of "unfettered
> >> government" onto small business. It is the destructive fruit of
> >> environmental leftists, the Fannie-Freddie cronies in government and
> >> other
> >> corrupt liberals in positions of power.
> >>
> >> And sadly, this is also the result of George Bush giving into these
> >> folks
> >> all too often in defense of his "new tone." (That worked out well,
> >> didn't
> >> it?) This was helped ironically by John McCain "reaching across the
> >> aisle"
> >> to vote against tax cuts and vote for energy restrictions and so on. All
> >> of this was nicely summed up by Mitt Romney when he said that our
> >> problems
> >> stem from "too many Republicans acting too much like Democrats." Now, if
> >> the polls are anywhere near accurate, we are going to get a taste of
> >> "real
> >> Democrats acting too much like Marxists" for at least a few years.
> >>
> >> Mitt was right, but the pundits said McCain was more acceptable to the
> >> moderates. Hmmm. Wonder if a financial turn-around specialist like Mitt
> >> might sell to the moderates now? Just a wild thought from someone not
> >> smart enough to be a beltway pundit.
> >>
> >> Now Joe, as someone whose been there, let me tell you how this works,
> >> though I think you have a good idea.  At the end of the year, as an LLC,
> >> I
> >> do file taxes with the business profit on my personal returns like many
> >> of
> >> others do as well.  And yes, that figure is much bigger than 250
> >> thousand.
> >> But that's not really MY MONEY to keep. It's how I underpin my business.
> >> When customers disappear or take their time paying bills, I still have
> >> to
> >> pay my employees, rent, suppliers, and countless other expenses. Every
> >> penny that the tax man takes out of that profit is less money that I
> >> have
> >> to carry forward to stay in business for the next year. And if Obama and
> >> Reid and Pelosi take more of this by "raising taxes on the rich" then of
> >> course my business will suffer. And so will all the employees.
> >>
> >> This is exactly what almost none of those lawyers turned politicians
> >> understand.
> >>
> >> But of course, you will have to send tax money into the government, Joe,
> >> because the man who is in charge of spending that money -- Charlie
> >> Rangel
> >> -- damned sure wasn't paying his fair share as we know now. Get out that
> >> checkbook.
> >>
> >> Of course, all of this matters only if you can afford to fill your
> >> plumbing vans with gas at gosh knows what price. It could be that the
> >> recession will lower the gas price, but that's not terribly good news
> >> for
> >> you either, since customers don't spend as much money in a recession. I
> >> mean, I hate to burst your bubble, but small business owners are
> >> surrounded by a sea of challenges outside their control and almost all
> >> of
> >> them are caused by liberalism. Government has formed a business firing
> >> squad and it's a doggone circle!
> >>
> >> I wish you well, guy.  You might just have the genius and persistence to
> >> pull this off. I really do hope so. As for me, I have had enough. I have
> >> fought creeping liberalism and managed more wins than losses over 17
> >> years. We have progressed to where  our business,  now a corporation,
> >> is
> >> big enough so that Obama and his ilk now have their own ideas about
> >> "what
> >> larger businesses can afford" and what "corporations can afford."
> >>
> >> Well I've got news for him. I cannot afford what they think I can
> >> afford,
> >> so I am breaking her up and giving her away to some key employees.  I
> >> wish
> >> them well too. They are like you, tough and smart. Perhaps if they stay
> >> small enough and never can carry forward more than 250 thou to the next
> >> year, they will be allowed to keep their businesses through a downturn.
> >>
> >> As for me? I'm outta here.
> >>
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