[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sun Oct 19 16:31:58 EDT 2008


What Obama and his ilk don't understand is that there are people that 
recognize right and wrong no matter who it's directed at.

I'm in the 95% that would get a tax cut under Obama's plan.

I don't like it.

I don't like it because it takes away from the other 5% to give to me. I 
hope someday to be in that 5%, and I wouldn't want that done to me.

It's all part of that old fashioned notion of do unto others as you 
would have them do unto you. I don't want anyone taking money from me 
and saying "I'm going to give this to someone else because they have 
less than you."

Because I don't want it done to me, I don't want it done to anyone else.

But, I realize I'm a bit extreme.

Brad Haslett wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> Pay attention here, Joe the Plumber is not doing mid-night repairs on
> peoples shitters.  He is working under someone else's license. If you
> know plumbing and plumbers then you know that it takes a seven year
> apprenticeship.  How else does one become a plumber?  So did Joe ask
> an invalid question because he didn't identify himself as "Joe the
> Apprentice Plumber"? The latest attack on Joe was from The One
> himself, "how many plumbers do you know that make more than $250,000 a
> year?".  You should know, lot's of plumbing contractors make that much
> and more.
>
> The answer, "we need to share the wealth" is what is disturbing.  You
> can't mathematically give 95% of the people "tax cuts" when the bottom
> 38% don't pay taxes.  Even if you could, I wouldn't be in the 95% and
> as Tip O'neil used to say, "all politics is local". If almost 40% of
> voters have the chance to vote themselves a raise, they will.  You now
> only need a small percentage of party faithful to vote your way and,
> PRESTO!, we've arrived at the tipping point our founding fathers
> worried about.
>
> The truth of the matter is, we don't know what Obama will do, his
> positions have shifted weekly.  As a community organizer he helped
> shake down companies out of money.  As a grant administrator he
> distributed monies to organizations based on race and radical ideas,
> not sound education principles.  As a State Senator he either voted
> "present" if it was a controversial issue or "Yea" if it involved
> funneling money to Chicago cronies for public/private enterprises,
> most of which failed.  As a US Senator he followed the party line 97%
> of the time and wrote no major piece of legislation.
>
> There isn't a whole lot in his record of late to make judgements on
> other than words.  According to Obama, words mean something.  So, I
> guess that when he plans to raise taxes and engage in restraint of
> trade he means it.  Let's hope that works out better than it did for
> Herbert Hoover.
>
> Maybe this is what Dr. Johnson was thinking when he coined the phrase,
> "it is the triumph of hope over experience".
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Andrew Collins
> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Brad
>>
>> What was your point exactly, Brad? You made mine quite nicely, thank you.
>> You are having trouble focusing.
>> I am very well versed in plumbing, and have seen just how badly unlicensed
>> plumbers can screw things up. Some of them even think shit can flow uphill,
>> and I have the photos to prove it.
>>
>> I tell all my intern engineers the first rule of construction is "shit flows
>> downhill", and have been telling them for 30 years.
>>
>> My firm can plumb anything you like, we are licensed in 4 states. We abide
>> by the law of the land, as do you.
>>
>> Get licensed Joe!
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> God bless your immature heart.  How the hell do you get experience?
>>> You started out shitting in your pants.  Someone had to help you find
>>> your way to the John.  Attacking Joe the Plumber because he doesn't
>>> have a license is silly.  Allow me to let you in on a little secret
>>> here.  I work in the most regulated profession in the world.  I get
>>> tested at at minimum every six months (I'm an examiner).  I get a
>>> physical every six months.  Every day at work I'm subject to drug
>>> testing.  Every day I'm subject to a random government oversight test.
>>>  I challenge you to find a profession that has a bigger microscope
>>> focused on it.
>>>
>>> You are worried about a plumber?  Here's a clue kid!  Shit flows
>>> downhill.  Plumbing is serious business.  It takes 7 years of
>>> experience to get a plumbers license.  You have to be smart to get
>>> one.  But don't you cast aspersions on someone who is working on a
>>> plumbing license or someone who is aspiring one.
>>>
>>> Most of the PhD's I know couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the
>>> instructions printed on the heel.  Never underestimate the common
>>> wisdom of someone who knows the direction of shit given gravity or
>>> "shit from shinola".
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew Collins
>>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Dear pdgrand nospam:
>>>>
>>>> awful post
>>>>
>>>> " ... when decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost "?
>>>>
>>>> This post isn't worthy of even this lowly slug-fest we call a sailing
>>>>         
>>> forum.
>>>       
>>>> And whaddabout the subject line? Ed where are you?
>>>>
>>>> Can we have a new rule: you have to write it yourself not cut and paste
>>>>         
>>> any
>>>       
>>>> old uncorroborated opinion that oozes across the web?
>>>> And if Joe is an unlicensed plumber, he is just that. He should be
>>>>         
>>> licensed,
>>>       
>>>> take the tests, go to trade school. Do unlicensed pilots fly? Do
>>>> unregistered engineers practice, do unlicensed beauticians give facials?
>>>>         
>>> No,
>>>       
>>>> they don't
>>>>
>>>> This unlicensed tradesman is manipulating gas installations, connections
>>>>         
>>> to
>>>       
>>>> the public water supply, connectiions to public sewer systems, etc. This
>>>> work brings with it responsibilities that every municipality requires be
>>>> satisfied by obtaining a plumbing license before being allowed to this
>>>>         
>>> kind
>>>       
>>>> of work.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:37 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> October 17, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
>>>>>
>>>>> By C. Edmund Wright<http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/>
>>>>>
>>>>> God love you Joe. Bless your heart Joe.  You, and people like you, are
>>>>> what makes the country work. You make the country great. You get it --
>>>>>           
>>> you
>>>       
>>>>> act on it -- and you enrich the lives of your family and your friends
>>>>>           
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>> your communities and your charities as a result.
>>>>> But I think what I should say now is "God help you Joe."  Look, 16 plus
>>>>> years ago I was where you are now. And I must tell you  if Obama wins, I
>>>>> am pulling the plug in a few months. I am out. I have had it.  I am
>>>>> preparing to destroy almost 100 jobs and lower my tax bracket and I
>>>>>           
>>> can't
>>>       
>>>>> wait.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider: 16 years ago I was statistically in poverty, but I had dreams
>>>>> and a plan. At the time, the remnants of Reaganomics still set the
>>>>> economic tone and a fired up Newt Gingrich was forcing conservatism on
>>>>>           
>>> the
>>>       
>>>>> Clinton White House every time Bill and Hillary tried to move left.
>>>>>           
>>>  There
>>>       
>>>>> were actually politicians who praised business owners and business in
>>>>> general.  Against that backdrop, I've had a pretty good run. It's been
>>>>> extremely challenging and the move up was not a straight line, but I am
>>>>> better off than I was 16 years ago. And 8 years ago. And 4 years ago.
>>>>>           
>>> And
>>>       
>>>>> so are a lot of folks who have been on this ride with me.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Joe, I am not better off than I was just 2 years ago. That's when
>>>>> decades of liberal energy policy came home to roost and four dollar gas
>>>>> took several hundred thousands from my bottom line faster than I could
>>>>> possibly react.  That same gas price slammed my customers -- and my
>>>>> customer's customers -- forcing our company into a vice of rapidly
>>>>>           
>>> rising
>>>       
>>>>> costs and rapidly dropping revenues. Oh, and for fun, slower payments
>>>>>           
>>> from
>>>       
>>>>> our customers.
>>>>>
>>>>> That started the ripple through the sub prime mortgage industry, and we
>>>>> have all seen the unraveling of our financial system which was more or
>>>>> less totally underpinned by real estate "values." Those assumed
>>>>>           
>>> valuations
>>>       
>>>>> were the basis for any number of derivatives and credit swaps and so on.
>>>>> Well, forget all that Wall Street talk. To you and me it means employees
>>>>> are more desperate for money, customers are less willing to buy, slower
>>>>>           
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>> pay and banks less willing to lend. It certainly means whatever homes
>>>>>           
>>> and
>>>       
>>>>> 401K's you have are worth less too which makes your bank even less
>>>>>           
>>> anxious
>>>       
>>>>> to lend to your business. It is the main street carnage of "unfettered
>>>>> government" onto small business. It is the destructive fruit of
>>>>> environmental leftists, the Fannie-Freddie cronies in government and
>>>>>           
>>> other
>>>       
>>>>> corrupt liberals in positions of power.
>>>>>
>>>>> And sadly, this is also the result of George Bush giving into these
>>>>>           
>>> folks
>>>       
>>>>> all too often in defense of his "new tone." (That worked out well,
>>>>>           
>>> didn't
>>>       
>>>>> it?) This was helped ironically by John McCain "reaching across the
>>>>>           
>>> aisle"
>>>       
>>>>> to vote against tax cuts and vote for energy restrictions and so on. All
>>>>> of this was nicely summed up by Mitt Romney when he said that our
>>>>>           
>>> problems
>>>       
>>>>> stem from "too many Republicans acting too much like Democrats." Now, if
>>>>> the polls are anywhere near accurate, we are going to get a taste of
>>>>>           
>>> "real
>>>       
>>>>> Democrats acting too much like Marxists" for at least a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitt was right, but the pundits said McCain was more acceptable to the
>>>>> moderates. Hmmm. Wonder if a financial turn-around specialist like Mitt
>>>>> might sell to the moderates now? Just a wild thought from someone not
>>>>> smart enough to be a beltway pundit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now Joe, as someone whose been there, let me tell you how this works,
>>>>> though I think you have a good idea.  At the end of the year, as an LLC,
>>>>>           
>>> I
>>>       
>>>>> do file taxes with the business profit on my personal returns like many
>>>>>           
>>> of
>>>       
>>>>> others do as well.  And yes, that figure is much bigger than 250
>>>>>           
>>> thousand.
>>>       
>>>>> But that's not really MY MONEY to keep. It's how I underpin my business.
>>>>> When customers disappear or take their time paying bills, I still have
>>>>>           
>>> to
>>>       
>>>>> pay my employees, rent, suppliers, and countless other expenses. Every
>>>>> penny that the tax man takes out of that profit is less money that I
>>>>>           
>>> have
>>>       
>>>>> to carry forward to stay in business for the next year. And if Obama and
>>>>> Reid and Pelosi take more of this by "raising taxes on the rich" then of
>>>>> course my business will suffer. And so will all the employees.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is exactly what almost none of those lawyers turned politicians
>>>>> understand.
>>>>>
>>>>> But of course, you will have to send tax money into the government, Joe,
>>>>> because the man who is in charge of spending that money -- Charlie
>>>>>           
>>> Rangel
>>>       
>>>>> -- damned sure wasn't paying his fair share as we know now. Get out that
>>>>> checkbook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, all of this matters only if you can afford to fill your
>>>>> plumbing vans with gas at gosh knows what price. It could be that the
>>>>> recession will lower the gas price, but that's not terribly good news
>>>>>           
>>> for
>>>       
>>>>> you either, since customers don't spend as much money in a recession. I
>>>>> mean, I hate to burst your bubble, but small business owners are
>>>>> surrounded by a sea of challenges outside their control and almost all
>>>>>           
>>> of
>>>       
>>>>> them are caused by liberalism. Government has formed a business firing
>>>>> squad and it's a doggone circle!
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish you well, guy.  You might just have the genius and persistence to
>>>>> pull this off. I really do hope so. As for me, I have had enough. I have
>>>>> fought creeping liberalism and managed more wins than losses over 17
>>>>> years. We have progressed to where  our business,  now a corporation,
>>>>>           
>>>  is
>>>       
>>>>> big enough so that Obama and his ilk now have their own ideas about
>>>>>           
>>> "what
>>>       
>>>>> larger businesses can afford" and what "corporations can afford."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I've got news for him. I cannot afford what they think I can
>>>>>           
>>> afford,
>>>       
>>>>> so I am breaking her up and giving her away to some key employees.  I
>>>>>           
>>> wish
>>>       
>>>>> them well too. They are like you, tough and smart. Perhaps if they stay
>>>>> small enough and never can carry forward more than 250 thou to the next
>>>>> year, they will be allowed to keep their businesses through a downturn.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for me? I'm outta here.
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>>>> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed...
>>>>> Name: untitled-[2]
>>>>> Url:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20081017/5a0870b2/attachment.txt
>>>       
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>>>         
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>       
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>
>>>       
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>>     
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>   


More information about the Rhodes22-list mailing list