[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

[Ben Cittadino]

Ed;

Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it? What
makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our Constitution
immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist who is
not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have any
life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?

Have a nice day.


Ben C.

Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> 
> Ed,
> 
> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
> relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it shouldn't
> go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book was
> written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation for a
> moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link instead of
> the article so you can see the photo.
> 
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
> 
> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
> 
> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
> 
> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
> let him get away with it.
> 
> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty of
> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
> 
> Brad
> 
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>> socioeconomic
>> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership comprises many
>> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>> honesty.
>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying hey, "
>> America, we have a problem..."
>>
>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist as is Bill
>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.  In
>> America a
>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.  So it goes
>> with his candidate Obama.
>>
>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should have
>> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say something?  If you
>> do
>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>
>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he obligated
>> to
>> speak out?
>>
>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>  Then they came for the Jews,
>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>  Then they came for me
>>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>
>>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>> Church
>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>
>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection at all
>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who, where
>> and
>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>
>> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most others deny
>> the
>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends deny the issue
>> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>> again.
>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>
>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not ask
>> them
>> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want to know?
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
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