[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
Ben Cittadino
bcittadino at dcs-law.com
Tue Oct 21 18:36:12 EDT 2008
Herb;
The irony is that I probably gave Ed the best legal advice of his life. He
will thank me for it someday. Or not.
For somebody who called me on a single typo, "colleagial" instead of
"collegial", you sure misspell a lot of words in your posts.
Tag......... you're it.
Ben C.
hparsons wrote:
>
> I'm looking at my screen, but can't say for sure. I see black, and see
> white in your post.
>
> Both are extremes.
>
> You realize, it's all tongue in cheek don't you?
>
> We both know the truth. Ben was putting out a stupid threat, and was
> probably embarrassed that anyone called him on it.... OK, I'll be
> honest, probably embarrassed that anyone besides ME called him on it.
>
> I never liked it when the kids at school pumped out their chests like
> they were ready to fight. I always thought the real fun was watching
> them back down.
>
> But, I'm an extremist, and probably do look like one.
>
> But then, there are worst things in life.
>
> Just bent wrote:
>> Herb.
>> do I look like an extreamist?
>> Jb
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>>>
>>> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben....
>>> I'm not the only one ....
>>>
>>> JbTek wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
>>>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
>>>> threats are not.
>>>> Jb
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator? It
>>>>> sure
>>>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label
>>>>> me
>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No,
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>>>> developed
>>>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have
>>>>> such
>>>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Constitution
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> who
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> any
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> shouldn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were
>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link instead of
>>>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law
>>>>>>>> firm.
>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most
>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership
>>>>>>>>> comprises
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist as
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth. In
>>>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it. So
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say something?
>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> obligated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German
>>>>>>>>> Confessing
>>>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most others
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends deny
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ask
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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