[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Oct 21 19:03:59 EDT 2008
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sell, but I have my suspicions.
I ride my bike with the Patriot Guard riders, and have a custom flag
pole rig that I've had lots of people ask me about. I didn't make it,
and the guy that did isn't interested in making more, but I figure
someone else might. If you're interested, send me an email directly, and
I'll send you some pics.
JbTek wrote:
> Herb
> My pic is at the end of the post. jb.jpg
> Jb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>
>
>
>> I'm looking at my screen, but can't say for sure. I see black, and see
>> white in your post.
>>
>> Both are extremes.
>>
>> You realize, it's all tongue in cheek don't you?
>>
>> We both know the truth. Ben was putting out a stupid threat, and was
>> probably embarrassed that anyone called him on it.... OK, I'll be
>> honest, probably embarrassed that anyone besides ME called him on it.
>>
>> I never liked it when the kids at school pumped out their chests like
>> they were ready to fight. I always thought the real fun was watching
>> them back down.
>>
>> But, I'm an extremist, and probably do look like one.
>>
>> But then, there are worst things in life.
>>
>> Just bent wrote:
>>
>>> Herb.
>>> do I look like an extreamist?
>>> Jb
>>>
>>>
>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben....
>>>> I'm not the only one ....
>>>>
>>>> JbTek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
>>>>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated
>>>>>
> but
>
>>>>> threats are not.
>>>>> Jb
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator? It
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label
>>>>>>
> me
>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed?
>>>>>>
> No,
>
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>>>>> developed
>>>>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have
>>>>>>
> such
>
>>>>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading
>>>>>>>
> ...
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see
>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Constitution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a
>>>>>>>>
> marxist
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> who
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you
>>>>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that
>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days
>>>>>>>>>
> in
>
>>>>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were
>>>>>>>>>
> both
>
>>>>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored
>>>>>>>>>
> Obama's
>
>>>>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link instead
>>>>>>>>>
> of
>
>>>>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law
>>>>>>>>>
> firm.
>
>>>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by
>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was
>>>>>>>>>
> in
>
>>>>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most
>>>>>>>>>
> part
>
>>>>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be
>>>>>>>>>
> guilty
>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership
>>>>>>>>>>
> comprises
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is
>>>>>>>>>>
> simple
>
>>>>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and
>>>>>>>>>>
> saying
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist as
>>>>>>>>>>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>
> In
>
>>>>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it. So
>>>>>>>>>>
> it
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should
>>>>>>>>>>
> have
>
>>>>>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say something?
>>>>>>>>>>
> If
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> obligated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German
>>>>>>>>>>
> Confessing
>
>>>>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no
>>>>>>>>>>
> connection
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most
>>>>>>>>>>
> others
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else
>>>>>>>>>>
> in
>
>>>>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends deny
>>>>>>>>>>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all
>>>>>>>>>>
> over
>
>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ask
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>> attachment for Andrew:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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