[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Re: Ben C., thank you for your reply...

[Herb Parsons]

Your last comment is the interesting one.

What is important? And why in the WORLD would a candidate for President 
lie about something UNIMPORTANT?

I can see lying to his kids about where the Christmas presents came 
from, but what other issues are there worth lying about?

Ben Cittadino wrote:
> Ed;
>
> You have raised two legitimate questions for me to wrestle with so let me
> give it a shot.  As I understand it you want to know what I think on the
> issue of whether Sen Obama is using "deception or evasion about his prior
> economic and politcal concepts".  As a corollary to that, you posit that if
> he is being deceptive or evasive does that disqualify him on honesty and
> integrity grounds from being entitled to our vote.
>
> I don't think I have ever suggested that inquiry into the Senator's past
> associations is improper.  The problem I have is that I don't carry the same
> suspicion of the MSM as you and some others do.  I think back to Woodard and
> Bernstein and Watergate and I conclude that any reporter who could "nail"
> Obama with a credible story of the kind of involvement with Ayres which
> would be significant would win a Pulitzer,
> be the toast of the town, get all the great women, and be a
> multi-millionaire forever. Who could resist that? 
>
> There is plenty of rumor, innuendo, and conspiratorial stuff out there, but
> I don't see persuasive proof.  I think Colin Powell, as a former National
> Security Advisor probably has sources better than ours which would steer him
> away from this endorsement if there were anything to worry about.  Powell is
> old, rich, respected.  He has lived his life.  All he has is his legacy.  I
> can't believe a man like him or the other prominent Americans who have
> vouched for Obama's patriotism would or could be mislead.
>
> Look, there are lots of reasons to vote for John McCain.  If his policies
> are closer to yours that's just fine.  I just think it would be a shame to
> reject Obama solely because, what?, he hasn't made a full enough disclosure
> of , what?, some plot to turn us into welfare state zombies?  
>
> I don't see the persuasive, proof, the weight of the evidence that we have
> anything to worry about.  
>
> On your second point, if he lied about something important, then I won't
> vote for him.
>
> Ben C. 
>
> Tootle wrote:
>   
>> Ben,
>>
>> Start from the top.  I did not call you a Marxist.  The ‘he’ was referring
>> to Obama, if you go back and read the whole paragraph.  Furthermore, I do
>> not know if Obama is a Marxist.  But he fails to distinguish himself from
>> them so that a dummy can tell whether he is or is not.
>>
>> I agree that that association alone does not make him a Marxist.  However,
>> his stated political philosophy one ago year ago was parallel to Marxist
>> style thinking, also know as Socialist thinking.  That is, his taxing
>> proposals intimate a Marxist style or Socialist style thinking. 
>> Specifically, tax the hell out of those earning a high income and spread
>> the wealth.  Or were his words, share the wealth?
>>
>> I have a problem with this concept for several reasons.  First, it takes
>> property in the form of money from one group and gives it to another
>> group.  What ever the reason, it is using the huge coercive power of the
>> government to take property from one group and give it to another.  Now
>> all kinds of social reasons can be given for doing this.  Bob Skinner is
>> good at explaining some of them.
>>
>> However, another reason I recognize it as a problem is that that kind of
>> transfer of wealth kills or severely harms individual initiative.   I
>> recognize that it is people, both ordinary and extra ordinary that thru
>> personal effort, also called initiative, has made great strides in raising
>> the standard of living or wellbeing of all people.  
>>
>> My question to you is still to discuss if Obama is using deception or
>> evasion about his prior economic and political concepts?    
>>
>> You are one guy who should be able to discuss that issue from all sides. 
>> Understand to some it is an honesty or integrity question.
>>
>> Please take your time to do so, and Thank You.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
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