[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Re: Ben C., thank you for your reply...

[Benjamin Cittadino]

Herb;

You asked what is "important".

Bill Clinton said,"I tried marijuana a time or two.  I didn't like it and I
didn't inhale."  I didn't believe him but it didn't seem important.  He
minimized his involvement because he was by no means a druggie but he wasn't
proud of what he did and he was fearful of condemnation.  It was along time
ago so it didn't figure in my calculation . It wasn't important.

Ben C.

hparsons wrote:
> 
> Your last comment is the interesting one.
> 
> What is important? And why in the WORLD would a candidate for President 
> lie about something UNIMPORTANT?
> 
> I can see lying to his kids about where the Christmas presents came 
> from, but what other issues are there worth lying about?
> 
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> Ed;
>>
>> You have raised two legitimate questions for me to wrestle with so let me
>> give it a shot.  As I understand it you want to know what I think on the
>> issue of whether Sen Obama is using "deception or evasion about his prior
>> economic and politcal concepts".  As a corollary to that, you posit that
>> if
>> he is being deceptive or evasive does that disqualify him on honesty and
>> integrity grounds from being entitled to our vote.
>>
>> I don't think I have ever suggested that inquiry into the Senator's past
>> associations is improper.  The problem I have is that I don't carry the
>> same
>> suspicion of the MSM as you and some others do.  I think back to Woodard
>> and
>> Bernstein and Watergate and I conclude that any reporter who could "nail"
>> Obama with a credible story of the kind of involvement with Ayres which
>> would be significant would win a Pulitzer,
>> be the toast of the town, get all the great women, and be a
>> multi-millionaire forever. Who could resist that? 
>>
>> There is plenty of rumor, innuendo, and conspiratorial stuff out there,
>> but
>> I don't see persuasive proof.  I think Colin Powell, as a former National
>> Security Advisor probably has sources better than ours which would steer
>> him
>> away from this endorsement if there were anything to worry about.  Powell
>> is
>> old, rich, respected.  He has lived his life.  All he has is his legacy. 
>> I
>> can't believe a man like him or the other prominent Americans who have
>> vouched for Obama's patriotism would or could be mislead.
>>
>> Look, there are lots of reasons to vote for John McCain.  If his policies
>> are closer to yours that's just fine.  I just think it would be a shame
>> to
>> reject Obama solely because, what?, he hasn't made a full enough
>> disclosure
>> of , what?, some plot to turn us into welfare state zombies?  
>>
>> I don't see the persuasive, proof, the weight of the evidence that we
>> have
>> anything to worry about.  
>>
>> On your second point, if he lied about something important, then I won't
>> vote for him.
>>
>> Ben C. 
>>
>> Tootle wrote:
>>   
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> Start from the top.  I did not call you a Marxist.  The ‘he’ was
>>> referring
>>> to Obama, if you go back and read the whole paragraph.  Furthermore, I
>>> do
>>> not know if Obama is a Marxist.  But he fails to distinguish himself
>>> from
>>> them so that a dummy can tell whether he is or is not.
>>>
>>> I agree that that association alone does not make him a Marxist. 
>>> However,
>>> his stated political philosophy one ago year ago was parallel to Marxist
>>> style thinking, also know as Socialist thinking.  That is, his taxing
>>> proposals intimate a Marxist style or Socialist style thinking. 
>>> Specifically, tax the hell out of those earning a high income and spread
>>> the wealth.  Or were his words, share the wealth?
>>>
>>> I have a problem with this concept for several reasons.  First, it takes
>>> property in the form of money from one group and gives it to another
>>> group.  What ever the reason, it is using the huge coercive power of the
>>> government to take property from one group and give it to another.  Now
>>> all kinds of social reasons can be given for doing this.  Bob Skinner is
>>> good at explaining some of them.
>>>
>>> However, another reason I recognize it as a problem is that that kind of
>>> transfer of wealth kills or severely harms individual initiative.   I
>>> recognize that it is people, both ordinary and extra ordinary that thru
>>> personal effort, also called initiative, has made great strides in
>>> raising
>>> the standard of living or wellbeing of all people.  
>>>
>>> My question to you is still to discuss if Obama is using deception or
>>> evasion about his prior economic and political concepts?    
>>>
>>> You are one guy who should be able to discuss that issue from all sides. 
>>> Understand to some it is an honesty or integrity question.
>>>
>>> Please take your time to do so, and Thank You.
>>>
>>> Ed K
>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>> (Sorry Andrew no attachment)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>
>>   
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