[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Re: Ben C., thank you for your reply...

[Herb Parsons]

Ahhh, I see your point, but I think you're missing some.

1) Clinton's not running, I was really talking about current candidates.
2) You used a GREAT example. Follow me on this.

A person willing to lie about something that doesn't matter says 
something about their character, and yes indeed, character DOES count. 
I, just like you, (and much of the world) laughed. That, along with some 
other character issues, meant I DIDN'T vote for him. Unfortunately, much 
of the country took your attitude. It was a bad time, we had "I'm 
willing to lie about things" running against "Read my lips, I didn't 
keep my word", so it was hard to discern how to vote based on character.

So, we got "I'm willing to lie"; and of course, "I'm willing to lie 
about 'unimportant'" extended to "I'm also willing to lie under oath in 
a lawsuit involving sexual harassment."

Funny the example you gave. Palin made a comment about her marijuana 
use. She realized the lack of importance, and didn't line.

What a moron!

Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
> Herb;wh
>
> You asked what is "important".
>
> Bill Clinton said,"I tried marijuana a time or two.  I didn't like it and I
> didn't inhale."  I didn't believe him but it didn't seem important.  He
> minimized his involvement because he was by no means a druggie but he wasn't
> proud of what he did and he was fearful of condemnation.  It was along time
> ago so it didn't figure in my calculation . It wasn't important.
>
> Ben C.
>
> hparsons wrote:
>   
>> Your last comment is the interesting one.
>>
>> What is important? And why in the WORLD would a candidate for President 
>> lie about something UNIMPORTANT?
>>
>> I can see lying to his kids about where the Christmas presents came 
>> from, but what other issues are there worth lying about?
>>
>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>     
>>> Ed;
>>>
>>> You have raised two legitimate questions for me to wrestle with so let me
>>> give it a shot.  As I understand it you want to know what I think on the
>>> issue of whether Sen Obama is using "deception or evasion about his prior
>>> economic and politcal concepts".  As a corollary to that, you posit that
>>> if
>>> he is being deceptive or evasive does that disqualify him on honesty and
>>> integrity grounds from being entitled to our vote.
>>>
>>> I don't think I have ever suggested that inquiry into the Senator's past
>>> associations is improper.  The problem I have is that I don't carry the
>>> same
>>> suspicion of the MSM as you and some others do.  I think back to Woodard
>>> and
>>> Bernstein and Watergate and I conclude that any reporter who could "nail"
>>> Obama with a credible story of the kind of involvement with Ayres which
>>> would be significant would win a Pulitzer,
>>> be the toast of the town, get all the great women, and be a
>>> multi-millionaire forever. Who could resist that? 
>>>
>>> There is plenty of rumor, innuendo, and conspiratorial stuff out there,
>>> but
>>> I don't see persuasive proof.  I think Colin Powell, as a former National
>>> Security Advisor probably has sources better than ours which would steer
>>> him
>>> away from this endorsement if there were anything to worry about.  Powell
>>> is
>>> old, rich, respected.  He has lived his life.  All he has is his legacy. 
>>> I
>>> can't believe a man like him or the other prominent Americans who have
>>> vouched for Obama's patriotism would or could be mislead.
>>>
>>> Look, there are lots of reasons to vote for John McCain.  If his policies
>>> are closer to yours that's just fine.  I just think it would be a shame
>>> to
>>> reject Obama solely because, what?, he hasn't made a full enough
>>> disclosure
>>> of , what?, some plot to turn us into welfare state zombies?  
>>>
>>> I don't see the persuasive, proof, the weight of the evidence that we
>>> have
>>> anything to worry about.  
>>>
>>> On your second point, if he lied about something important, then I won't
>>> vote for him.
>>>
>>> Ben C. 
>>>
>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> Start from the top.  I did not call you a Marxist.  The ‘he’ was
>>>> referring
>>>> to Obama, if you go back and read the whole paragraph.  Furthermore, I
>>>> do
>>>> not know if Obama is a Marxist.  But he fails to distinguish himself
>>>> from
>>>> them so that a dummy can tell whether he is or is not.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that that association alone does not make him a Marxist. 
>>>> However,
>>>> his stated political philosophy one ago year ago was parallel to Marxist
>>>> style thinking, also know as Socialist thinking.  That is, his taxing
>>>> proposals intimate a Marxist style or Socialist style thinking. 
>>>> Specifically, tax the hell out of those earning a high income and spread
>>>> the wealth.  Or were his words, share the wealth?
>>>>
>>>> I have a problem with this concept for several reasons.  First, it takes
>>>> property in the form of money from one group and gives it to another
>>>> group.  What ever the reason, it is using the huge coercive power of the
>>>> government to take property from one group and give it to another.  Now
>>>> all kinds of social reasons can be given for doing this.  Bob Skinner is
>>>> good at explaining some of them.
>>>>
>>>> However, another reason I recognize it as a problem is that that kind of
>>>> transfer of wealth kills or severely harms individual initiative.   I
>>>> recognize that it is people, both ordinary and extra ordinary that thru
>>>> personal effort, also called initiative, has made great strides in
>>>> raising
>>>> the standard of living or wellbeing of all people.  
>>>>
>>>> My question to you is still to discuss if Obama is using deception or
>>>> evasion about his prior economic and political concepts?    
>>>>
>>>> You are one guy who should be able to discuss that issue from all sides. 
>>>> Understand to some it is an honesty or integrity question.
>>>>
>>>> Please take your time to do so, and Thank You.
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>> (Sorry Andrew no attachment)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>   
>>>       
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