[Rhodes22-list] Legal: Ben Please Help
Benjamin Cittadino
bigben65 at earthlink.net
Wed Oct 22 19:55:29 EDT 2008
Mike;
I see it now. OK, you get a gold star too. Actually you get two since you
were first.
I will probably not make the same mistake again thanks to you, Rob and Herb.
I can "almost" feel the love.
Herb
I used the word collegial as a derivative of the word colleague, as in "one
who shares the same work or activity or interest or profession". I use it
to refer to all the members of this forum who share an interest in sailing,
politics and other things we discuss here in our "sailor's bar".
Since you have chosen to keep talking about my alleged "threat" I'm going to
take the time to respond. Ed and I seem to have moved on and have had a
civil discussion on another thread.
You apparently want to keep it up so I'll deal with you on it.
Ed began a thread on Oct 21 at 3:34am titled "...failure of leadership or
leading..." in which he said, "Ben discounted the Bill Ayres thing. Even if
he is a Marxist as is Bill Ayres, he as an American has an obligation to
speak the truth. In America a Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not
lie about it . So it goes with his candidate Obama." There is no way that
statement can be read by anyone to say anything other than that Ed says I am
a Marxist. And that is a damnedable lie. I don't use a pseudonym on this
list so anyone who googles me by my name may find Ed's post and say, hey I'm
not going to retain that marxist lawyer. If that happened Ed would have
injured my personal and professional reputation by putting his charge out
over the internet for millions of people to see. And what did you do Herb?
Did you spring to my defense and say "I don't agree with Ben but Ed you
should not spread such malicious falsehoods about Ben". Hell no. You jump
on me for pointing out to Ed that there are very real potential consequences
to his reckless speech. I wanted Ed to think about his life savings, not
because I would sue him, I would not, but because he needs to think alittle
bit before he spreads malicious lies about people.
But it didn't end there. Ed went on to say "What are the elements of
Conspiracy?......If you do not say anything are you a co-conspirator? Herb,
he was clearly referring to the CRIME of Conspiracy. And what did you do
Herb? Did you do the fair and honorable thing and say. "Hey Ed, list members
should not accuse other list members of criminal conspiracy?" Hell no, to
you it was just ed's "musings".
And afew days ago when he "wondered" whether my father and/or grandfather
were people who helped the fascist dictator Mussolini into power (an obvious
ethnic slur directed at my Italian heritage) where were you? I sure don't
know but it's clear you did not have my back.
Frankly, I expected a lot more support from other list members, not
agreement on politics, but some recognition that my admonition to Ed was
appropriate, and that his conduct was unacceptable. A word or two from you
or Jb to Ed to cut it out would have helped.
So I'm the asshole, my friend? And what are you Herb? I guess you're just a
stand up guy.
Perhaps I'm just not cut out for this internet banter. This list is my only
experience with long distance debate. I like it better when the other guy
is looking in my face when he calls me vile and despicable names. The
educational and entertainment value of further participation does seem to be
waning a bit. See you around the campus.
Ben C.
hparsons wrote:
>
> Gee, I just apologized and turns out I had the RIGHT Ben all along.
>
> No Ben, the asshole post was a different one. I called you that because
> of what appeared to be a threat. You explained, and I answered back that
> I didn't know the meaning of the word.
>
> You may FEEL your misspelling was "obvious", but it wasn't to me. My
> email program recognizes neither (I'll be more than happy to show you a
> screenshot that shows both of them with red underlines), and just as I
> said, the reference I found in the small dictionary in my office didn't
> fit the context. I STILL don't understand it, he's not a law colleague,
> and it didn't have to do with college. I made it clear that I was
> ignorant on the topic, and frankly, I'm not much more informed even now.
>
> I did catch the difference between dual and duel, and even thought it a
> funny Freudian slip. Didn't mention it though, because I thought I'd get
> another stinging response about my spelling.
>
> I've never spoken of you as a mortal enemy. The threat was beneath what
> a reasonable person would be doing on an internet site. You disagreed,
> and acted as if I were somehow in the wrong about it being a threat. I
> wasn't alone in my perception. I still believe it was beneath what
> should occur here, and felt (and still do) that it deserved an equally
> "beneath" response.
>
> In the "mortal enemies" issue, I have the ability to compartmentalize,
> and apparently you either don't, or choose not to use it. I can think
> you're being an asshole when you make boorish threats, and still think
> your advice on other areas is good. Shoot, if that weren't the case, no
> way could I vote for McCain, or most other politicians for that matter.
>
> Jesus says that we are to love everyone, I do. I can love a person and
> still not like what they do, or what they say, and still be forthright
> with them when I feel like it.
>
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> Herb;
>>
>> Please don't do this.
>>
>> The difference between "duel" and "dual" is subtle, and the substitution
>> of
>> one for the other was funny. Rob was clearly joking.
>>
>> My spelling error of "colleagial" instead of "collegial" was an obvious
>> typo and you had just gotten finished calling me an "asshole" as I
>> recall.
>>
>> I don't think you can have it both ways. If we are buddies just
>> bantering
>> online then please forgive my oversight and accept my compliment on your
>> "catch" of my typo.
>>
>> If we are mortal enemies (which is how you speak to me most of the time)
>> then I don't think the kind of friendly banter I have with Rob is
>> appropriate between us.
>>
>> The choice is yours. Jesus wants me to love you Herb and I am giving it
>> my
>> best shot. You tell me what our status is and I'll be happy to act
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> Wait a minute Ben, when I caught one, you didn't say "good catch", and
>>> mine wasn't even a "you misspelled it", it was a legitimate question as
>>> to the meaning. I even stated that.
>>>
>>> Oh wait. Never mind. I see your response was to Robert. He's one of your
>>> side, thus a correction in spelling is a "good catch", instead of
>>> pointing out misspellings.
>>>
>>> I'll eventually catch on to both sets of rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> You got me man.....I have no excuse....In fact I had to read your post
>>>> twice
>>>> before I got it. "Good catch" as the big firm lawyers say when they
>>>> catch a
>>>> gramatical or spelling error in a big document.
>>>>
>>>> Berst, Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... duel citizenship...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is that sort of like two personalities
>>>>> fighting to the death for possession of
>>>>> the same body, as opposed to sharing it
>>>>> as in the case of dual personalities?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert
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