[Rhodes22-list] Legal: Ben Please Help

Wed Oct 22 21:32:42 EDT 2008

 Mike, You're a wise man. Once a day max from now on. 
Thanks, Ben C.

R22MikeW wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Thanks.  Two gold stars but the points don't count as Drew Carey would
> say.
> 
> You need to take this list less seriously.  If you find that you are 
> responding as often as you are, you need to reevaluate the value of 
> continuing the debate.  I have rarely seen anyone on "da list" concede a 
> point, even when wrong (of course, the proof is always open to further 
> debate.)  I appreciate your views and those that are in opposition,
> although 
> I have not enjoyed the personal references.  We can do without the name 
> calling, on both sides.  When the argument escalates to that level, there
> is 
> no point to continuing, even if taking "the high road."
> 
> Mike
> s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
>        Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> From: "Benjamin Cittadino" <bigben65 at earthlink.net>Sent: Wednesday,
> October 
> 22, 2008 7:55 PM
>>
>> Mike;
>>
>> I see it now.  OK, you get a gold star too.  Actually you get two since 
>> you
>> were first.
>> I will probably not make the same mistake again thanks to you, Rob and 
>> Herb.
>> I can "almost" feel the love.
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> I used the word collegial as a derivative of the word colleague, as in 
>> "one
>> who shares the same work or activity or interest or profession".  I use
>> it
>> to refer to all the members of this forum who share an interest in 
>> sailing,
>> politics and other things we discuss here in our "sailor's bar".
>>
>> Since you have chosen to keep talking about my alleged "threat" I'm going 
>> to
>> take the time to respond. Ed and I seem to have moved on and have had a
>> civil discussion on another thread.
>> You apparently want to keep it up so I'll deal with you on it.
>>
>> Ed began a  thread on Oct 21 at 3:34am titled "...failure of leadership
>> or
>> leading..." in which he said, "Ben discounted the Bill Ayres thing. Even 
>> if
>> he is a Marxist as is Bill Ayres, he as an American has an obligation to
>> speak the truth. In America a Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and 
>> not
>> lie about it . So it goes with his candidate Obama." There is no way that
>> statement can be read by anyone to say anything other than that Ed says I 
>> am
>> a Marxist.  And that is a damnedable lie.  I don't use a pseudonym on
>> this
>> list so anyone who googles me by my name may find Ed's post and say, hey 
>> I'm
>> not going to retain that marxist lawyer.  If that happened Ed would have
>> injured my personal and professional reputation by putting his charge out
>> over the internet for millions of people to see.  And what did you do 
>> Herb?
>> Did you spring to my defense and say "I don't agree with Ben but Ed you
>> should not spread such malicious falsehoods about Ben".  Hell no.  You 
>> jump
>> on me for pointing out to Ed that there are very real potential 
>> consequences
>> to his reckless speech.  I wanted Ed to think about his life savings, not
>> because I would sue him, I would not, but because he needs to think 
>> alittle
>> bit before he spreads malicious lies about people.
>>
>> But it didn't end there. Ed went on to say "What are the elements of
>> Conspiracy?......If you do not say anything are you a co-conspirator? 
>> Herb,
>> he was clearly referring to the CRIME of Conspiracy. And what did you do
>> Herb? Did you do the fair and honorable thing and say. "Hey Ed, list 
>> members
>> should not accuse other list members of criminal conspiracy?" Hell no, to
>> you it was just ed's "musings".
>>
>> And afew days ago when he "wondered" whether my father and/or grandfather
>> were people who helped the fascist dictator Mussolini into power (an 
>> obvious
>> ethnic slur directed at my Italian heritage) where were you? I sure don't
>> know but it's clear you did not  have my back.
>>
>> Frankly, I expected a lot more support from other list members, not
>> agreement on politics, but some recognition that my admonition to Ed was
>> appropriate, and that his conduct was unacceptable.  A word or two from 
>> you
>> or Jb to Ed to cut it out would have helped.
>>
>> So I'm the asshole, my friend? And what are you Herb?  I guess you're
>> just 
>> a
>> stand up guy.
>>
>> Perhaps I'm just not cut out for this internet banter. This list is my 
>> only
>> experience with long distance debate.  I like it better when the other
>> guy
>> is looking in my face when he calls me vile and despicable names. The
>> educational and entertainment value of further participation does seem to 
>> be
>> waning a bit. See you around the campus.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>>
>>> Gee, I just apologized and turns out I had the RIGHT Ben all along.
>>>
>>> No Ben, the asshole post was a different one.  I called you that because
>>> of what appeared to be a threat. You explained, and I answered back that
>>> I didn't know the meaning of the word.
>>>
>>> You may FEEL your misspelling was "obvious", but it wasn't to me. My
>>> email program recognizes neither (I'll be more than happy to show you a
>>> screenshot that shows both of them with red underlines), and just as I
>>> said, the reference I found in the small dictionary in my office didn't
>>> fit the context. I STILL don't understand it, he's not a law colleague,
>>> and it didn't have to do with college. I made it clear that I was
>>> ignorant on the topic, and frankly, I'm not much more informed even now.
>>>
>>> I did catch the difference between dual and duel, and even thought it a
>>> funny Freudian slip. Didn't mention it though, because I thought I'd get
>>> another stinging response about my spelling.
>>>
>>> I've never spoken of you as a mortal enemy. The threat was beneath what
>>> a reasonable person would be doing on an internet site. You disagreed,
>>> and acted as if I were somehow in the wrong about it being a threat. I
>>> wasn't alone in my perception. I still believe it was beneath what
>>> should occur here, and felt (and still do) that it deserved an equally
>>> "beneath" response.
>>>
>>> In the "mortal enemies" issue, I have the ability to compartmentalize,
>>> and apparently you either don't, or choose not to use it. I can think
>>> you're being an asshole when you make boorish threats, and still think
>>> your advice on other areas is good. Shoot, if that weren't the case, no
>>> way could I vote for McCain, or most other politicians for that matter.
>>>
>>> Jesus says that we are to love everyone, I do. I can love a person and
>>> still not like what they do, or what they say, and still be forthright
>>> with them when I feel like it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>> Herb;
>>>>
>>>> Please don't do this.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between "duel" and "dual" is subtle, and the
>>>> substitution
>>>> of
>>>> one for the other was funny. Rob was clearly joking.
>>>>
>>>> My spelling error of "colleagial" instead of "collegial" was  an
>>>> obvious
>>>> typo and you had just gotten finished calling me an "asshole" as I
>>>> recall.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you can have it both ways.  If we are buddies just
>>>> bantering
>>>> online then please forgive my oversight and accept my compliment on
>>>> your
>>>> "catch" of my typo.
>>>>
>>>> If we are mortal enemies (which is how you speak to me most of the
>>>> time)
>>>> then I don't think the kind of friendly banter I have with Rob is
>>>> appropriate between us.
>>>>
>>>> The choice is yours.  Jesus wants me to love you Herb and I am giving
>>>> it
>>>> my
>>>> best shot.  You tell me what our status is and I'll be happy to act
>>>> accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wait a minute Ben, when I caught one, you didn't say "good catch", and
>>>>> mine wasn't even a "you misspelled it", it was a legitimate question
>>>>> as
>>>>> to the meaning. I even stated that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh wait. Never mind. I see your response was to Robert. He's one of 
>>>>> your
>>>>> side, thus a correction in spelling is a "good catch", instead of
>>>>> pointing out misspellings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll eventually catch on to both sets of rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You got me man.....I have no excuse....In fact I had to read your
>>>>>> post
>>>>>> twice
>>>>>> before I got it.  "Good catch" as the big firm lawyers say when they
>>>>>> catch a
>>>>>> gramatical or spelling error in a big document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Berst, Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... duel citizenship...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that sort of like two personalities
>>>>>>> fighting to the death for possession of
>>>>>>> the same body, as opposed to sharing it
>>>>>>> as in the case of dual personalities?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Robert
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