[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Steven Alm stevenalm at gmail.com
Fri Oct 24 20:33:09 EDT 2008 

Wow!  Indefensible stupidity.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTBZHf6WyG0
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> > The same Biden who:
> >> * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
> >
> > That's something anyone would say about their opponent (the primaries)
> >
> >> * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> >> convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
> >
> > Certainly rather crass but not an issue of natl. importance.
> >
> >> * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> >> (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
> >
> > Sounds fishy.  Did you really hear him say that?  Source?
> >
> >> * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> >> Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> >> made an emergency landing because of the weather.
> >
> > A non-issue.  Not nearly as bad as Hillary lying about landing in Bosnia
> (?)
> > under gun-fire.
> >
> > I agree that we should be discussing or comparing/contrasting the two VP
> > candidates.  Although Biden's reputation of being a loose cannon
> > notwithstanding, IMO he'd make a better pres.  Mrs. Lipstick's
> > anti-Washington stance will not go far once she's in Washington.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Herb,
> >>
> >> Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from
> some
> >> of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to
> genuinely
> >> try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add
> that
> >> I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
> >> if the roles were reversed.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue.
> >> If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith
> in
> >> my candidate.
> >>
> >> It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this
> subject.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> > Paul,
> >> >
> >> > I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's
> move
> >> > away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they
> not
> >> > discuss this:
> >> >
> >> > Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
> >> > speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
> >> >
> >> > Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
> >> > means that she really should be compared to Biden.
> >> >
> >> > The same Biden who:
> >> > * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
> >> > * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> >> > convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
> >> > * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market
> crash
> >> > (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
> >> > * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> >> > Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> >> > made an emergency landing because of the weather.
> >> >
> >> > So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
> >> > reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
> >> >
> >> > Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
> >> > in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >> >> Brad,
> >> >>
> >> >> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
> >> >> wanted
> >> >> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
> >> >> subject.
> >> >> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
> >> >> this
> >> >> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and
> his
> >> >> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
> >> >> to).
> >> >> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion
> addressing
> >> >> or
> >> >> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one
> of
> >> >> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you
> would,
> >> >> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
> >> >> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
> >> >> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm
> having
> >> >> a
> >> >> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy,
> smooth-talking,
> >> >> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people
> in
> >> >> this country fooled.
> >> >>
> >> >> Paul
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
> >> >>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
> >> >>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the
> pledge
> >> >>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like
> so
> >> >>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
> >> >>> example-
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ------------------------
> >> >>>
> >> >>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
> >> >>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad
> Pro"
> >> >>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in
> which
> >> >>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
> >> >>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen
> noted
> >> >>> one such incident earlier this week:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
> >> >>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
> >> >>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
> >> >>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
> >> >>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment
> he
> >> >>> conducted:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving
> donations
> >> >>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How
> is
> >> >>> this possible?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
> >> >>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
> >> >>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
> >> >>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match,
> then
> >> >>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
> >> >>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
> >> >>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the
> Obama
> >> >>> campaign website and entered the following:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     Name: John Galt
> >> >>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
> >> >>>     City: Galts Gulch
> >> >>>     State: CO
> >> >>>     Zip: 99999
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
> >> >>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
> >> >>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and...
> "Your
> >> >>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
> >> >>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I
> don't
> >> >>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the
> credit
> >> >>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
> >> >>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
> >> >>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
> >> >>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making
> up
> >> >>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
> >> >>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
> >> >>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
> >> >>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
> >> >>> site:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional
> donations
> >> >>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
> >> >>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using
> the
> >> >>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard
> for
> >> >>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry
> and
> >> >>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
> >> >>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to
> happen.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this
> post.
> >> >>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
> >> >>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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