[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Oct 24 19:27:47 EDT 2008 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTBZHf6WyG0

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> The same Biden who:
>> * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
>
> That's something anyone would say about their opponent (the primaries)
>
>> * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
>> convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
>
> Certainly rather crass but not an issue of natl. importance.
>
>> * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
>> (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
>
> Sounds fishy.  Did you really hear him say that?  Source?
>
>> * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
>> Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
>> made an emergency landing because of the weather.
>
> A non-issue.  Not nearly as bad as Hillary lying about landing in Bosnia (?)
> under gun-fire.
>
> I agree that we should be discussing or comparing/contrasting the two VP
> candidates.  Although Biden's reputation of being a loose cannon
> notwithstanding, IMO he'd make a better pres.  Mrs. Lipstick's
> anti-Washington stance will not go far once she's in Washington.
>
> Slim
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>>
>> Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from some
>> of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to genuinely
>> try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add that
>> I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
>> if the roles were reversed.
>>
>> Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue.
>> If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith in
>> my candidate.
>>
>> It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this subject.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's move
>> > away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they not
>> > discuss this:
>> >
>> > Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
>> > speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
>> >
>> > Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
>> > means that she really should be compared to Biden.
>> >
>> > The same Biden who:
>> > * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
>> > * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
>> > convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
>> > * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
>> > (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
>> > * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
>> > Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
>> > made an emergency landing because of the weather.
>> >
>> > So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
>> > reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
>> >
>> > Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
>> > in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>> >> Brad,
>> >>
>> >> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
>> >> wanted
>> >> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
>> >> subject.
>> >> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
>> >> this
>> >> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
>> >> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
>> >> to).
>> >> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
>> >> or
>> >> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
>> >>
>> >> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one of
>> >> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you would,
>> >> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
>> >> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
>> >>
>> >> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
>> >> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm having
>> >> a
>> >> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
>> >> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
>> >> this country fooled.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
>> >>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
>> >>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
>> >>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
>> >>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
>> >>> example-
>> >>>
>> >>> ------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
>> >>>
>> >>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
>> >>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
>> >>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
>> >>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
>> >>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
>> >>> one such incident earlier this week:
>> >>>
>> >>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
>> >>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
>> >>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
>> >>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
>> >>>
>> >>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
>> >>>
>> >>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
>> >>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
>> >>> conducted:
>> >>>
>> >>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
>> >>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
>> >>> this possible?
>> >>>
>> >>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
>> >>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
>> >>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
>> >>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
>> >>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
>> >>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
>> >>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
>> >>> campaign website and entered the following:
>> >>>
>> >>>     Name: John Galt
>> >>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
>> >>>     City: Galts Gulch
>> >>>     State: CO
>> >>>     Zip: 99999
>> >>>
>> >>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
>> >>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
>> >>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
>> >>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
>> >>>
>> >>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
>> >>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
>> >>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
>> >>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
>> >>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
>> >>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
>> >>>
>> >>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
>> >>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
>> >>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
>> >>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
>> >>>
>> >>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
>> >>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
>> >>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
>> >>> site:
>> >>>
>> >>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
>> >>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
>> >>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
>> >>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
>> >>>
>> >>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
>> >>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
>> >>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
>> >>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
>> >>>
>> >>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
>> >>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
>> >>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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