[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Hank hnw555 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 24 18:11:53 EDT 2008 

Slim,

He really did make the comment about FDR and TV.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/biden-slips-suggests-fdr-was-president-when-market-crashed/

Hank

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> The same Biden who:
> > * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
>
> That's something anyone would say about their opponent (the primaries)
>
> > * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> > convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
>
> Certainly rather crass but not an issue of natl. importance.
>
> > * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> > (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
>
> Sounds fishy.  Did you really hear him say that?  Source?
>
> > * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> > Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> > made an emergency landing because of the weather.
>
> A non-issue.  Not nearly as bad as Hillary lying about landing in Bosnia
> (?)
> under gun-fire.
>
> I agree that we should be discussing or comparing/contrasting the two VP
> candidates.  Although Biden's reputation of being a loose cannon
> notwithstanding, IMO he'd make a better pres.  Mrs. Lipstick's
> anti-Washington stance will not go far once she's in Washington.
>
> Slim
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>
> > Herb,
> >
> > Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from
> some
> > of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to genuinely
> > try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add that
> > I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
> > if the roles were reversed.
> >
> > Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue.
> > If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith
> in
> > my candidate.
> >
> > It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this subject.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > Paul,
> > >
> > > I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's
> move
> > > away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they
> not
> > > discuss this:
> > >
> > > Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
> > > speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
> > >
> > > Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
> > > means that she really should be compared to Biden.
> > >
> > > The same Biden who:
> > > * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
> > > * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> > > convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
> > > * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> > > (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
> > > * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> > > Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> > > made an emergency landing because of the weather.
> > >
> > > So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
> > > reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
> > >
> > > Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
> > > in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> > >> Brad,
> > >>
> > >> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
> > >> wanted
> > >> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
> > >> subject.
> > >> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
> > >> this
> > >> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
> > >> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
> > >> to).
> > >> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
> > >> or
> > >> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
> > >>
> > >> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one
> of
> > >> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you
> would,
> > >> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
> > >> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
> > >>
> > >> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
> > >> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm
> having
> > >> a
> > >> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy,
> smooth-talking,
> > >> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
> > >> this country fooled.
> > >>
> > >> Paul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
> > >>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
> > >>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
> > >>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
> > >>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
> > >>> example-
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
> > >>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad
> Pro"
> > >>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
> > >>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
> > >>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
> > >>> one such incident earlier this week:
> > >>>
> > >>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
> > >>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
> > >>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
> > >>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
> > >>>
> > >>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
> > >>>
> > >>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
> > >>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
> > >>> conducted:
> > >>>
> > >>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving
> donations
> > >>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How
> is
> > >>> this possible?
> > >>>
> > >>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
> > >>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
> > >>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
> > >>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match,
> then
> > >>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
> > >>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
> > >>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the
> Obama
> > >>> campaign website and entered the following:
> > >>>
> > >>>     Name: John Galt
> > >>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
> > >>>     City: Galts Gulch
> > >>>     State: CO
> > >>>     Zip: 99999
> > >>>
> > >>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
> > >>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
> > >>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
> > >>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
> > >>>
> > >>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
> > >>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I
> don't
> > >>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the
> credit
> > >>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
> > >>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
> > >>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
> > >>>
> > >>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
> > >>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making
> up
> > >>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
> > >>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
> > >>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
> > >>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
> > >>> site:
> > >>>
> > >>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
> > >>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
> > >>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
> > >>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard
> for
> > >>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
> > >>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
> > >>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
> > >>>
> > >>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
> > >>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
> > >>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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