[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Fri Oct 24 18:07:06 EDT 2008

The same Biden who:
> * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job

That's something anyone would say about their opponent (the primaries)

> * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore

Certainly rather crass but not an issue of natl. importance.

> * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)

Sounds fishy.  Did you really hear him say that?  Source?

> * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> made an emergency landing because of the weather.

A non-issue.  Not nearly as bad as Hillary lying about landing in Bosnia (?)
under gun-fire.

I agree that we should be discussing or comparing/contrasting the two VP
candidates.  Although Biden's reputation of being a loose cannon
notwithstanding, IMO he'd make a better pres.  Mrs. Lipstick's
anti-Washington stance will not go far once she's in Washington.

Slim

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:14 PM, <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:

> Herb,
>
> Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from some
> of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to genuinely
> try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add that
> I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
> if the roles were reversed.
>
> Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue.
> If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith in
> my candidate.
>
> It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this subject.
>
> Paul
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's move
> > away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they not
> > discuss this:
> >
> > Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
> > speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
> >
> > Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
> > means that she really should be compared to Biden.
> >
> > The same Biden who:
> > * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
> > * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> > convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
> > * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> > (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
> > * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> > Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> > made an emergency landing because of the weather.
> >
> > So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
> > reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
> >
> > Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
> > in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
> >
> >
> >
> > pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
> >> wanted
> >> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
> >> subject.
> >> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
> >> this
> >> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
> >> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
> >> to).
> >> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
> >> or
> >> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
> >>
> >> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one of
> >> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you would,
> >> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
> >> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
> >>
> >> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
> >> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm having
> >> a
> >> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
> >> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
> >> this country fooled.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
> >>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
> >>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
> >>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
> >>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
> >>> example-
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------
> >>>
> >>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
> >>>
> >>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
> >>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
> >>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
> >>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
> >>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
> >>> one such incident earlier this week:
> >>>
> >>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
> >>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
> >>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
> >>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
> >>>
> >>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
> >>>
> >>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
> >>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
> >>> conducted:
> >>>
> >>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
> >>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
> >>> this possible?
> >>>
> >>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
> >>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
> >>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
> >>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
> >>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
> >>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
> >>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
> >>> campaign website and entered the following:
> >>>
> >>>     Name: John Galt
> >>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
> >>>     City: Galts Gulch
> >>>     State: CO
> >>>     Zip: 99999
> >>>
> >>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
> >>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
> >>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
> >>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
> >>>
> >>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
> >>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
> >>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
> >>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
> >>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
> >>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
> >>>
> >>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
> >>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
> >>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
> >>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
> >>>
> >>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
> >>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
> >>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
> >>> site:
> >>>
> >>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
> >>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
> >>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
> >>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
> >>>
> >>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
> >>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
> >>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
> >>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
> >>>
> >>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
> >>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
> >>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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