[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Fri Oct 24 17:46:40 EDT 2008

PD

Away this weekend....iffy internet connection so far....keep your shirt on,
I'll get to you.

Ben C.

pdgrand wrote:
> 
> Herb,
> 
> Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from some
> of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to genuinely
> try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add that
> I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
> if the roles were reversed.
> 
> Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue. 
> If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith in
> my candidate.
> 
> It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this subject.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> Paul,
>>
>> I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's move
>> away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they not
>> discuss this:
>>
>> Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
>> speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
>>
>> Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
>> means that she really should be compared to Biden.
>>
>> The same Biden who:
>> * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
>> * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
>> convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
>> * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
>> (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
>> * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
>> Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
>> made an emergency landing because of the weather.
>>
>> So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
>> reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
>>
>> Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
>> in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
>>
>>
>>
>> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>>> Brad,
>>>
>>> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
>>> wanted
>>> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
>>> subject.
>>> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
>>> this
>>> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
>>> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
>>> to).
>>> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
>>> or
>>> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
>>>
>>> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one of
>>> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you would,
>>> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
>>> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
>>>
>>> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
>>> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm having
>>> a
>>> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
>>> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
>>> this country fooled.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
>>>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
>>>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
>>>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
>>>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
>>>> example-
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------
>>>>
>>>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
>>>>
>>>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
>>>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
>>>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
>>>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
>>>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
>>>> one such incident earlier this week:
>>>>
>>>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
>>>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
>>>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
>>>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
>>>>
>>>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
>>>>
>>>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
>>>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
>>>> conducted:
>>>>
>>>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
>>>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
>>>> this possible?
>>>>
>>>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
>>>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
>>>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
>>>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
>>>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
>>>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
>>>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
>>>> campaign website and entered the following:
>>>>
>>>>     Name: John Galt
>>>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
>>>>     City: Galts Gulch
>>>>     State: CO
>>>>     Zip: 99999
>>>>
>>>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
>>>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
>>>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
>>>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
>>>>
>>>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
>>>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
>>>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
>>>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
>>>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
>>>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
>>>>
>>>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
>>>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
>>>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
>>>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
>>>>
>>>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
>>>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
>>>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
>>>> site:
>>>>
>>>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
>>>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
>>>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
>>>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
>>>>
>>>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
>>>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
>>>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
>>>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
>>>>
>>>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
>>>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
>>>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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