[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

Fri Oct 24 16:14:05 EDT 2008

Herb,

Nonetheless, I would like to try to elicit a thoughtful response from some
of the Obama supporters on this list.  Not to bate them, but to genuinely
try to find out their opinion on this particular issue.  I might add that
I hope they would ask themselves whether their opinion would be the same
if the roles were reversed.

Maybe I'm making too much out of this, but I think this is a HUGE issue. 
If it had happened in reverse, I dare say it would have shaken my faith in
my candidate.

It seems to me they have been uncharacteristically quiet on this subject.

Paul

> Paul,
>
> I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's move
> away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they not
> discuss this:
>
> Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her
> speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.
>
> Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That
> means that she really should be compared to Biden.
>
> The same Biden who:
> * Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
> * Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into
> convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
> * Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash
> (FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
> * Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al
> Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it
> made an emergency landing because of the weather.
>
> So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same
> reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.
>
> Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is
> in fact nothing more than rhetoric.
>
>
>
> pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
>> Brad,
>>
>> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I
>> wanted
>> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the
>> subject.
>> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think
>> this
>> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
>> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond
>> to).
>> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing
>> or
>> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
>>
>> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one of
>> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you would,
>> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this.
>> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
>>
>> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
>> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm having
>> a
>> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
>> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
>> this country fooled.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
>>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
>>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
>>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
>>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
>>> example-
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
>>>
>>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
>>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
>>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
>>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
>>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
>>> one such incident earlier this week:
>>>
>>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
>>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
>>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
>>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
>>>
>>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
>>>
>>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
>>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
>>> conducted:
>>>
>>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
>>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
>>> this possible?
>>>
>>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
>>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
>>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
>>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
>>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
>>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
>>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
>>> campaign website and entered the following:
>>>
>>>     Name: John Galt
>>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
>>>     City: Galts Gulch
>>>     State: CO
>>>     Zip: 99999
>>>
>>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
>>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
>>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
>>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
>>>
>>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
>>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
>>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
>>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
>>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
>>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
>>>
>>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
>>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
>>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
>>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
>>>
>>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
>>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
>>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
>>> site:
>>>
>>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
>>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
>>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
>>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
>>>
>>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
>>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
>>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
>>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
>>>
>>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
>>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
>>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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