[Rhodes22-list] How Much for the White House?

[Herb Parsons]

Paul,

I sincerely believe you are not looking at the broad picture. Let's move 
away from the specific, and address the general topic - how can they not 
discuss this:

Recall Ben's statement that Palin is a "moron" in part because of her 
speech patterns and responses to Katie Couric.

Now, Palin is NOT running for POTUS, she's running for VPTOUS. That 
means that she really should be compared to Biden.

The same Biden who:
* Said that Obama was not qualified for the job
* Said that you have to speak with an Indian accent to go into 
convenience stores and donut shops in Baltimore
* Talked about how FDR "got on television" after the stock market crash 
(FDR wasn't president, and there was no TV at the time)
* Talked about his helicopter was "forced down" while talking about Al 
Qaeda, making it sound as if it was a military action, when in fact it 
made an emergency landing because of the weather.

So, why doesn't the left compare this stuff to Palin? For the same 
reason that the stuff you're talking about "doesn't matter" to them.

Because they want what they want, and their "thinking and debating" is 
in fact nothing more than rhetoric.



pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net wrote:
> Brad,
>
> I've intentionally waited awhile before posting on this subject.  I wanted
> to hear specifically what the Obama supporters had to say on the subject. 
> Is it just me or have they been strangely silent about this?  I think this
> is a major issue because it speaks of the character of the man and his
> campaign (along with other issues he prefers to skirt or not respond to). 
> Why is no one on this list from the left leaning persuasion addressing or
> speaking up about this?  Is it a non-issue for them?
>
> Ben C., you're a thoughtful voice for that side.  If I've missed one of
> your or other's posts on this subject, please forgive me.  If you would,
> please re-send it.  If not, please let me hear your opinion on this. 
> Specifically, how can this not matter to you?
>
> Even though I won't vote for him, I honestly and respectfully want to
> believe in him because he may be my next President.  So far, I'm having a
> hard time believing he is anything but a dirty, sleazy, smooth-talking,
> corupt politician.  I think Brad's right.  He's got a lot of people in
> this country fooled.
>
> Paul
>
>   
>> The 2008 Presidential campaign will go down in history as the most
>> corrupt in our nation, ever. What we're witnessing here is something
>> you'd expect in some third-world banana republic. Remember the pledge
>> to take public campaign funds?  Vanished down the memory hole like so
>> many incriminating characters from the past.  Here's the latest
>> example-
>>
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>>
>> October 23, 2008  Posted by Scott at 6:52 AM
>>
>> We've previously noted the gusher of illegal campaign contributions
>> flowing into the Obama campaign from contributors such as "Doodad Pro"
>> and "Good Will." More recently, incidents have been reported in which
>> people have seen credit card charges surface suggesting they donated
>> to Barack Obama when they did not. Matthew Mosk and Sarah Cohen noted
>> one such incident earlier this week:
>>
>>     Now comes the story of Mary T. Biskup, of Manchester, Missouri.
>> Biskup got a call recently from the Obama campaign, which was trying
>> to figure out why she donated $174,800 to the campaign -- well over
>> the contribution limit of $2,300.
>>
>>     The answer she gave them was simple. "That's an error."
>>
>> Is the Obama campaign knowingly receiving illegal contributions?
>> Yesterday one of our readers reported the results of an experiment he
>> conducted:
>>
>>     I've read recent reports of the Obama campaign receiving donations
>> from dubious names and foreign locales and it got me wondering: How is
>> this possible?
>>
>>     I run a small Internet business and when I process credit cards
>> I'm required to make sure the name on the card exactly matches the
>> name of the customer making the purchase. Also, the purchaser's
>> address must match that of the cardholders. If these don't match, then
>> the payment isn't approved. Period. So how is it possible that the
>> Obama campaign could receive donations from fictional people and
>> places? Well, I decided to do a little experiment. I went to the Obama
>> campaign website and entered the following:
>>
>>     Name: John Galt
>>     Address: 1957 Ayn Rand Lane
>>     City: Galts Gulch
>>     State: CO
>>     Zip: 99999
>>
>>     Then I checked the box next to $15 and entered my actual credit
>> card number and expiration date (it didn't ask for the 3-didgit code
>> on the back of the card) and it took me to the next page and... "Your
>> donation has been processed. Thank you for your generous gift."
>>
>>     This simply should not, and could not, happen in any business or
>> any campaign that is honestly trying to vet it's donors. Also, I don't
>> see how this could possibly happen without the collusion of the credit
>> card companies. They simply wouldn't allow any business to process,
>> potentially, hundreds of millions in credit card transactions where
>> the name on the card doesn't match the purchasers name.
>>
>>     In short, with the system set up as it is by the Obama camp, an
>> individual could donate unlimited amounts of money by simply making up
>> fake names and addresses. And Obama is doing his best to facilitate
>> this fraud. This is truly scandalous.
>>
>> Our reader was not yet done. He tried the experiment on the McCain
>> site: "I tried the exact same thing at the McCain site and it didn't
>> allow the transaction." He then repeated the experiment at the Obama
>> site:
>>
>>     I went back to the Obama site and made three additional donations
>> using the names Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all
>> with different addresses. All the transactions went through using the
>> same credit card. I saved screenshots of the transactions.
>>
>> Our reader reports, incidentally, that he was using his MasterCard for
>> the contributions. We submit this report in the spirit of inquiry and
>> would especially appreciate hearing from readers who can illuminate
>> how credit card procedures might (or might not) allow this to happen.
>>
>> UPDATE: Readers have replicated the experiment reported in this post.
>> We will have to revisit the issue tonight or tomorrow and appreciate
>> any information you can provide in the meantime.
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