[Rhodes22-list] Political reply to Ben C - you are kidding?

[Brad Haslett]

Wally,

If being a Rhodes Scholar is a prerequisite for the White House, I
vote for Bobby Jindal.

Brad

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:41 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ed, Perhaps you are letting your opinion of Clinton tarnish the achievement
> of a Rhodes Scholarship. As Ben mentioned it is a highly sought
> after ACADEMIC scholarship. This is not his definition this is reality. Is
> there a more prestigious post graduate scholarship offered?
>
> A Rhodes scholarship is not awarded for raising a family or imparting your
> approved values.  It is nothing like Mormons sent abroad.....they were not
> selected for their mission based on academics. Many who achieve the academic
> honors you mention are later selected for a Rhodes Scholarship.
>
> Most seem to recognize that a Rhodes Scholarship is awarded to the cream of
> the academic crop. Beings a Rhodes Scholar does not guarantee high morals,
> post graduate achievement, or groom one for future presidency. I wonder how
> many Rhodes scholars own Rhodes sailboats?
>
> Wally
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
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>> "Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar…"  "Surely you realize this post
>> graduate
>> grant is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
>> challenging, and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can
>> receive. Please tell me you accept that fact."
>>
>> Ben in American it is acceptable to have people with other opinions.  It is
>> understood that one opinion is not necessarily the absolute epiphany.
>>
>> So as to your statement, I will accept what you said about 'a Rhodes
>> Scholar' as fact to you.  And that is your opinion.
>>
>> My opinion is not the same and my values are not the same.  And I know
>> other
>> Americans who share my opinion, and may know some who share yours.
>>
>> As for the part that part that says, "single most prestigious, competitive,
>> sought after, challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"  I suggest that
>> may be true, but only to those who seek that specific type recognition.
>>
>> Your definition does not include 'Scientific Achievements' of an academic
>> nature.  Your definition does not include 'Achievements' of economic,
>> religious, social (to include community) and a plethora of achievements
>> that
>> may have other or different academic measurements.
>>
>> So I give the Rhodes Scholar the same or equal weight as cum laude or summa
>> cum laude, or other academic honors.
>>
>> In summary, while it is nice to have some who go to another country to
>> study
>> for a year or two, I do not limit my recognition of important achievement
>> to
>> that group.  I am not a Mormon, but their practice of sending young men on
>> missions to different parts of this country or other countries accomplishes
>> a similar education.
>>
>> A researcher who finds important medical facts about diseases to me is an
>> equal or greater achievement. than a Rhodes Scholar.  And, note that this
>> can be accomplished in an Academic laboratory.
>>
>> A young lady who finds a husband and has several children and imparts into
>> those children important societal values to me is a higher achievement than
>> your Rhodes Scholar.
>>
>> So, we do not agree.  Others are free to agree with you.  What we are
>> talking about is the difference between 'Conservative' values and
>> liberalism.
>>
>> Ed K
>> addendum, ""A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the
>> high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of
>> necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are
>> of higher obligation."    Thomas Jefferson
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>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>> >
>> > Tootle;
>> > I recently called Bill Clinton a genius in defending my position that it
>> > is not her accent that makes Sarah Palin a moron. Clinton has a
>> pronounced
>> > accent.
>> >
>> > As you must have known , but perhaps have blocked from your memory, Bill
>> > Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar.  Surely you realize this post graduate
>> grant
>> > is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after, challenging,
>> > and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can receive. Please
>> > tell me you accept that fact.
>> >
>> > Bill Clinton speaks in complete, gramatically correct, coherant English
>> > sentences.  His paragraphs have a beginning, a middle and an end that
>> hang
>> > together as eloquent expressions of a complete thought.
>> >
>> > Bill Clinton can talk for hours on esoteric subjects of foreign and
>> > domestic policy, without notes.
>> >
>> > He is spontaneously witty, charming, quick, and isn't afraid to appear
>> > "intellectual". He is utterly unafraid to be challenged on any subject by
>> > anyone, and is a persuasive advocate for his point of view.
>> >
>> > Sarah Palin spouts transparently canned lines, which almost always
>> include
>> > the words, "maverick, soccar Mom, pit bull, Joe six-pack, hockey mom,
>> real
>> > americans, and/or you betcha" over and over.  She has one talent,
>> sarcasm,
>> > and it is no wonder to me why she is so popular with some of the folks on
>> > this forum.
>> >
>> > She wants to be VP to a man who has had multiple bouts with serious
>> cancer
>> > and is of advanced age.
>> >
>> > I am not alone in my assessment of this person.  David Brooks and other
>> > right of center writers like Peggy Noonan and others feel exactly the
>> same
>> > way.  I'm in good company in my assessment.
>> >
>> > Who thinks she is not a moron?  As far as I can tell, only afew hardy
>> > souls on this forum.  Well, good luck with that.
>> >
>> > Ben C.
>> >
>> > PS- for purposes of this discussion I define moron as a person of obvious
>> > intellectual incapacity who is also mean, nasty, sarcastic and adds
>> > nothing to the public discourse. It is a function of both attitude AND
>> > aptitude.
>> >
>> > PPS-Yes Tootle I know that makes me a moron in your eyes. I can live with
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Tootle wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is he getting the thirst for 'politics'?  Maybe the governorship of say,
>> >> Illinois, Pennsylvania, Virginia ... sounds like he as an audience
>> >> waiting...
>> >>
>> >> Ed K
>> >>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20149918/WigeeBoard.jpg WigeeBoard.jpg
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