[Rhodes22-list] Political reply to Ben C - you are kidding?

Sat Oct 25 13:46:32 EDT 2008

Ben's Definition - "single most prestigious, competitive, sought after, 
challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"
Wally's Definition - "a highly sought after ACADEMIC scholarship"

I do hope you see the difference between the two. I'd be willing to make 
a bet with anyone on here, ANYONE. I'd be willing to bet that there are 
more people seeking a high school diploma in any one year than there are 
seeking Rhodes scholarships. I think a HS diploma would be a much more 
sought after honor.

That's the problem with hyperbole. People get so caught up in saying 
things that they quickly lose track of what they are saying.

However, the real point to this is:

Does having gaining a Rhodes scholarship make on more qualified for the 
white house? I don't think so.

TN Rhodey wrote:
> Ed, Perhaps you are letting your opinion of Clinton tarnish the achievement
> of a Rhodes Scholarship. As Ben mentioned it is a highly sought
> after ACADEMIC scholarship. This is not his definition this is reality. Is
> there a more prestigious post graduate scholarship offered?
>
> A Rhodes scholarship is not awarded for raising a family or imparting your
> approved values.  It is nothing like Mormons sent abroad.....they were not
> selected for their mission based on academics. Many who achieve the academic
> honors you mention are later selected for a Rhodes Scholarship.
>
> Most seem to recognize that a Rhodes Scholarship is awarded to the cream of
> the academic crop. Beings a Rhodes Scholar does not guarantee high morals,
> post graduate achievement, or groom one for future presidency. I wonder how
> many Rhodes scholars own Rhodes sailboats?
>
> Wally
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> "Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar…"  "Surely you realize this post
>> graduate
>> grant is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
>> challenging, and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can
>> receive. Please tell me you accept that fact."
>>
>> Ben in American it is acceptable to have people with other opinions.  It is
>> understood that one opinion is not necessarily the absolute epiphany.
>>
>> So as to your statement, I will accept what you said about 'a Rhodes
>> Scholar' as fact to you.  And that is your opinion.
>>
>> My opinion is not the same and my values are not the same.  And I know
>> other
>> Americans who share my opinion, and may know some who share yours.
>>
>> As for the part that part that says, "single most prestigious, competitive,
>> sought after, challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"  I suggest that
>> may be true, but only to those who seek that specific type recognition.
>>
>> Your definition does not include 'Scientific Achievements' of an academic
>> nature.  Your definition does not include 'Achievements' of economic,
>> religious, social (to include community) and a plethora of achievements
>> that
>> may have other or different academic measurements.
>>
>> So I give the Rhodes Scholar the same or equal weight as cum laude or summa
>> cum laude, or other academic honors.
>>
>> In summary, while it is nice to have some who go to another country to
>> study
>> for a year or two, I do not limit my recognition of important achievement
>> to
>> that group.  I am not a Mormon, but their practice of sending young men on
>> missions to different parts of this country or other countries accomplishes
>> a similar education.
>>
>> A researcher who finds important medical facts about diseases to me is an
>> equal or greater achievement. than a Rhodes Scholar.  And, note that this
>> can be accomplished in an Academic laboratory.
>>
>> A young lady who finds a husband and has several children and imparts into
>> those children important societal values to me is a higher achievement than
>> your Rhodes Scholar.
>>
>> So, we do not agree.  Others are free to agree with you.  What we are
>> talking about is the difference between 'Conservative' values and
>> liberalism.
>>
>> Ed K
>> addendum, ""A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the
>> high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of
>> necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are
>> of higher obligation."    Thomas Jefferson
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>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>     
>>> Tootle;
>>> I recently called Bill Clinton a genius in defending my position that it
>>> is not her accent that makes Sarah Palin a moron. Clinton has a
>>>       
>> pronounced
>>     
>>> accent.
>>>
>>> As you must have known , but perhaps have blocked from your memory, Bill
>>> Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar.  Surely you realize this post graduate
>>>       
>> grant
>>     
>>> is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after, challenging,
>>> and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can receive. Please
>>> tell me you accept that fact.
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton speaks in complete, gramatically correct, coherant English
>>> sentences.  His paragraphs have a beginning, a middle and an end that
>>>       
>> hang
>>     
>>> together as eloquent expressions of a complete thought.
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton can talk for hours on esoteric subjects of foreign and
>>> domestic policy, without notes.
>>>
>>> He is spontaneously witty, charming, quick, and isn't afraid to appear
>>> "intellectual". He is utterly unafraid to be challenged on any subject by
>>> anyone, and is a persuasive advocate for his point of view.
>>>
>>> Sarah Palin spouts transparently canned lines, which almost always
>>>       
>> include
>>     
>>> the words, "maverick, soccar Mom, pit bull, Joe six-pack, hockey mom,
>>>       
>> real
>>     
>>> americans, and/or you betcha" over and over.  She has one talent,
>>>       
>> sarcasm,
>>     
>>> and it is no wonder to me why she is so popular with some of the folks on
>>> this forum.
>>>
>>> She wants to be VP to a man who has had multiple bouts with serious
>>>       
>> cancer
>>     
>>> and is of advanced age.
>>>
>>> I am not alone in my assessment of this person.  David Brooks and other
>>> right of center writers like Peggy Noonan and others feel exactly the
>>>       
>> same
>>     
>>> way.  I'm in good company in my assessment.
>>>
>>> Who thinks she is not a moron?  As far as I can tell, only afew hardy
>>> souls on this forum.  Well, good luck with that.
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> PS- for purposes of this discussion I define moron as a person of obvious
>>> intellectual incapacity who is also mean, nasty, sarcastic and adds
>>> nothing to the public discourse. It is a function of both attitude AND
>>> aptitude.
>>>
>>> PPS-Yes Tootle I know that makes me a moron in your eyes. I can live with
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Is he getting the thirst for 'politics'?  Maybe the governorship of say,
>>>> Illinois, Pennsylvania, Virginia ... sounds like he as an audience
>>>> waiting...
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20149918/WigeeBoard.jpg WigeeBoard.jpg
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