[Rhodes22-list] Political reply to Ben C - you are kidding?

Sat Oct 25 15:52:05 EDT 2008

Herb, I do see the difference. I also understand the scholarship is not for
raising your kids. Do you see that? You ignored that part of my post. I
wonder why?

My definition would includes the most prestigious scholarship i am aware of.
Can you name a more prestigious academic scholarship? You respond to my post
but never answered the question.  I do agree that more people seek a HS
diploma than a Rhodes Scholarship. You will argue the silliest things.

Anyway iyou agreed with main point....a Rhodes Scholarship does not make one
a good person or president.

Wally

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:

> Ben's Definition - "single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
> challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"
> Wally's Definition - "a highly sought after ACADEMIC scholarship"
>
> I do hope you see the difference between the two. I'd be willing to make
> a bet with anyone on here, ANYONE. I'd be willing to bet that there are
> more people seeking a high school diploma in any one year than there are
> seeking Rhodes scholarships. I think a HS diploma would be a much more
> sought after honor.
>
> That's the problem with hyperbole. People get so caught up in saying
> things that they quickly lose track of what they are saying.
>
> However, the real point to this is:
>
> Does having gaining a Rhodes scholarship make on more qualified for the
> white house? I don't think so.
>
>
>
> TN Rhodey wrote:
> > Ed, Perhaps you are letting your opinion of Clinton tarnish the
> achievement
> > of a Rhodes Scholarship. As Ben mentioned it is a highly sought
> > after ACADEMIC scholarship. This is not his definition this is reality.
> Is
> > there a more prestigious post graduate scholarship offered?
> >
> > A Rhodes scholarship is not awarded for raising a family or imparting
> your
> > approved values.  It is nothing like Mormons sent abroad.....they were
> not
> > selected for their mission based on academics. Many who achieve the
> academic
> > honors you mention are later selected for a Rhodes Scholarship.
> >
> > Most seem to recognize that a Rhodes Scholarship is awarded to the cream
> of
> > the academic crop. Beings a Rhodes Scholar does not guarantee high
> morals,
> > post graduate achievement, or groom one for future presidency. I wonder
> how
> > many Rhodes scholars own Rhodes sailboats?
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> "Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar…"  "Surely you realize this post
> >> graduate
> >> grant is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
> >> challenging, and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can
> >> receive. Please tell me you accept that fact."
> >>
> >> Ben in American it is acceptable to have people with other opinions.  It
> is
> >> understood that one opinion is not necessarily the absolute epiphany.
> >>
> >> So as to your statement, I will accept what you said about 'a Rhodes
> >> Scholar' as fact to you.  And that is your opinion.
> >>
> >> My opinion is not the same and my values are not the same.  And I know
> >> other
> >> Americans who share my opinion, and may know some who share yours.
> >>
> >> As for the part that part that says, "single most prestigious,
> competitive,
> >> sought after, challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"  I suggest
> that
> >> may be true, but only to those who seek that specific type recognition.
> >>
> >> Your definition does not include 'Scientific Achievements' of an
> academic
> >> nature.  Your definition does not include 'Achievements' of economic,
> >> religious, social (to include community) and a plethora of achievements
> >> that
> >> may have other or different academic measurements.
> >>
> >> So I give the Rhodes Scholar the same or equal weight as cum laude or
> summa
> >> cum laude, or other academic honors.
> >>
> >> In summary, while it is nice to have some who go to another country to
> >> study
> >> for a year or two, I do not limit my recognition of important
> achievement
> >> to
> >> that group.  I am not a Mormon, but their practice of sending young men
> on
> >> missions to different parts of this country or other countries
> accomplishes
> >> a similar education.
> >>
> >> A researcher who finds important medical facts about diseases to me is
> an
> >> equal or greater achievement. than a Rhodes Scholar.  And, note that
> this
> >> can be accomplished in an Academic laboratory.
> >>
> >> A young lady who finds a husband and has several children and imparts
> into
> >> those children important societal values to me is a higher achievement
> than
> >> your Rhodes Scholar.
> >>
> >> So, we do not agree.  Others are free to agree with you.  What we are
> >> talking about is the difference between 'Conservative' values and
> >> liberalism.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> addendum, ""A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of
> the
> >> high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of
> >> necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger,
> are
> >> of higher obligation."    Thomas Jefferson
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tootle;
> >>> I recently called Bill Clinton a genius in defending my position that
> it
> >>> is not her accent that makes Sarah Palin a moron. Clinton has a
> >>>
> >> pronounced
> >>
> >>> accent.
> >>>
> >>> As you must have known , but perhaps have blocked from your memory,
> Bill
> >>> Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar.  Surely you realize this post graduate
> >>>
> >> grant
> >>
> >>> is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after, challenging,
> >>> and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can receive.
> Please
> >>> tell me you accept that fact.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Clinton speaks in complete, gramatically correct, coherant English
> >>> sentences.  His paragraphs have a beginning, a middle and an end that
> >>>
> >> hang
> >>
> >>> together as eloquent expressions of a complete thought.
> >>>
> >>> Bill Clinton can talk for hours on esoteric subjects of foreign and
> >>> domestic policy, without notes.
> >>>
> >>> He is spontaneously witty, charming, quick, and isn't afraid to appear
> >>> "intellectual". He is utterly unafraid to be challenged on any subject
> by
> >>> anyone, and is a persuasive advocate for his point of view.
> >>>
> >>> Sarah Palin spouts transparently canned lines, which almost always
> >>>
> >> include
> >>
> >>> the words, "maverick, soccar Mom, pit bull, Joe six-pack, hockey mom,
> >>>
> >> real
> >>
> >>> americans, and/or you betcha" over and over.  She has one talent,
> >>>
> >> sarcasm,
> >>
> >>> and it is no wonder to me why she is so popular with some of the folks
> on
> >>> this forum.
> >>>
> >>> She wants to be VP to a man who has had multiple bouts with serious
> >>>
> >> cancer
> >>
> >>> and is of advanced age.
> >>>
> >>> I am not alone in my assessment of this person.  David Brooks and other
> >>> right of center writers like Peggy Noonan and others feel exactly the
> >>>
> >> same
> >>
> >>> way.  I'm in good company in my assessment.
> >>>
> >>> Who thinks she is not a moron?  As far as I can tell, only afew hardy
> >>> souls on this forum.  Well, good luck with that.
> >>>
> >>> Ben C.
> >>>
> >>> PS- for purposes of this discussion I define moron as a person of
> obvious
> >>> intellectual incapacity who is also mean, nasty, sarcastic and adds
> >>> nothing to the public discourse. It is a function of both attitude AND
> >>> aptitude.
> >>>
> >>> PPS-Yes Tootle I know that makes me a moron in your eyes. I can live
> with
> >>> that.
> >>>
> >>> Tootle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is he getting the thirst for 'politics'?  Maybe the governorship of
> say,
> >>>> Illinois, Pennsylvania, Virginia ... sounds like he as an audience
> >>>> waiting...
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed K
> >>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p20149918/WigeeBoard.jpg WigeeBoard.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> --
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