[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Oct 25 14:08:50 EDT 2008
It's great to see that the "becoming a guy" stuff is starting to kick in.
elle wrote:
> Herb,
>
> I know this weill be hard to believe, and I hope you are sitting down, but I agree with you.
>
> I come from a long line of immigrants, whose mantra (if they knew that word back then) was;
> Use it up,
> Wear it out,
> Make Do,
> or do without.
> There was no welfare. You're poor? So's everyone else. Grow a garden & get your gun & you'll eat.
>
> The Greatest Generation,(and they were) raised (correctly 'reared') a bunch of indulged Baby Boomers, who raised a bunch of slack-jawed, indolent, self-indulgent know nothings who think that flash & dash can substitute for substance, something they wouldn't recognize if it appeared on their iPhones. Hence the current state of political affairs.
>
> We have taken 'incentive' out of the vocabulary of America and replaced it with 'spread the wealth'...just more welfare by another name.
>
> And it's only going to get worse.
>
> Dang. I hate politics.No more. We'll be screwed soon enuf.
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 1:26 PM
>
> Elle (and others),
>
> I know this is going to sound heartless, but I don't care. This is much
> the reason we are in the mess we're in, and sinking deeper every year.
>
> Yes, it's sad that some parents (WAY too many "parents") put the
> TV, car
> & rims, and whatever self-indulgent crappola in front of their kids.
>
> The problem is that when we try to make it "better" through programs
> like the one mentioned, we not only enable the parents, we extend the
> problem.
>
> Those kids will look back and say "My momma got by, my step-daddies all
> had cool stuff, and we managed", and the process continues.
>
> I say don't enable them. There are abuse laws, including neglect, on the
> books. Enforce them. Your kids aren't eating right? Fine, we'll drop
> you
> food stamps, you obviously aren't using them correctly. Your kids
> aren't
> in school like they're supposed to be, fine, we'll ticket you, and
> arrest you if necessary. Sorry you can't control your children, I
> suggest you begin learning how. Start by turning off the TV and spend
> that time with them.
>
> The schools, no matter how dedicated the individuals are that are in
> them, will never successfully be surrogate parents. They should get back
> to doing what they CAN do successfully.
>
>
> elle wrote:
>
>> And if they're hungry, they can't learn.
>>
>> Too often kids are last in line after the TV, car w/rims, and whatever
>>
> self-indulgent crappola the 'parent' puts ahead of 'em.
>
>> And we will be 'sharing the wealth 'with these poor folk after
>>
> Nov. 4.
>
>> elle
>>
>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There,
>>>
> Done That
>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
>>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 3:40 PM
>>> elle,
>>>
>>> It always bugged me that school districts are required to
>>> pay for the free
>>> lunches (and breakfasts) for the "po." Why
>>> should food be part of the
>>> school's budget? If you don't have the money for
>>> your kids' food then you
>>> should be paying with your food stamps or WIC or whatever.
>>> Except I know
>>> why. If the schools didn't buy the food, the kids
>>> would go hungry. Sad
>>> scenario.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:29 PM, elle
>>> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> this brings up an interesting discussion I had
>>>>
>>>>
>>> recently with a successful
>>>
>>>
>>>> small business owner in this area who is very active
>>>>
>>>>
>>> with volunteerism and
>>>
>>>
>>>> youth. She had taught (not in a traditional edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>> setting but through social
>>>
>>>
>>>> services) various types of sex ed & living
>>>>
>>>>
>>> skills....
>>>
>>>
>>>> I had taught school for @ 35 years...we were
>>>>
>>>>
>>> discussing criteria for
>>>
>>>
>>>> welfare, social services, free lunch, etc.
>>>>
>>>> It was decided that using family income was a poor
>>>>
>>>>
>>> measure of qualification
>>>
>>>
>>>> for bennies...what should set the bar are the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> following:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "1. How many cell phone plans are in use in your
>>>>
>>>>
>>> household? How many
>>>
>>>
>>>> minutes for each plan?
>>>> 2. Square footage of your abode.
>>>> 3. How many large screen TV's are in your abode?
>>>> 4.How many licensed drivers in your home?
>>>> 5. How many vehicles are on your property? Give make,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> model, year, and
>>>
>>>
>>>> monthly payment for each.
>>>> 6. How many cases of beer or 5ths of booze are
>>>>
>>>>
>>> consumed weekly by your
>>>
>>>
>>>> household?
>>>> 7. How many children are in the home? How many fathers
>>>>
>>>>
>>> are represented by
>>>
>>>
>>>> these children? You lose benefits for the 2nd thru
>>>>
>>>>
>>> subsequent children of
>>>
>>>
>>>> different fathers.
>>>>
>>>> " Your monthly benefit will be adjusted by
>>>>
>>>>
>>> SUBTRACTING the cost of the
>>>
>>>
>>>> above items from your welfare check. If you didn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>> have all this crap you
>>>
>>>
>>>> can't afford, you could pay your own bills.
>>>>
>>>> When do I get elected?
>>>>
>>>> elle
>>>>
>>>> BTW..this was meant to be equally offensive to anyone
>>>>
>>>>
>>> fulfilling the above
>>>
>>>
>>>> criteria. No race, color, creed requirement.
>>>>
>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>
>>>>
>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>>> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Herb Parsons
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Plumber Joe: Been There, Done
>>>
>>>
>>>> That
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:22 PM
>>>>> Brad!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to see if I'm completely clear on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> this:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're in the 99th percentile as far as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> monetary wealth
>>>
>>>
>>>>> goes.
>>>>> You and foreign born wife accomplished this in a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> single
>>>
>>>
>>>>> generation.
>>>>> And you're unwilling to share your quickly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> found wealth
>>>
>>>
>>>>> with those poor
>>>>> folks that have struggled for 3 or 4 generations
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> to break
>>>
>>>
>>>>> free from
>>>>> their poverty, and now only ask that they have a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> few
>>>
>>>
>>>>> necessities in life
>>>>> like calbe for their color TV's and cell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> phones.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there's some racist motivation
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> in your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> refusal to share the wealth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fan and I are BARELY in the 99% percentile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> we're not rich. She
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> arrived here in 1989 shortly after Tienanmen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Square
>>>
>>>
>>>>> with two suit
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> cases and $50 US money and I met her ten
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> years later
>>>
>>>
>>>>> after her second
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> graduate degree and third job. We struck a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> bond
>>>
>>>
>>>>> because after decades
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of living a "macroni and cheese
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> lifestyle",
>>>
>>>
>>>>> maybe a "rice and noodles"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> lifestyle would be more appropriate - we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> found
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ourselves on the path
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> to success. Now we're being told that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> we're
>>>
>>>
>>>>> guilty of something.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's always good to go home to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Brownstown,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Illinois. The town has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> grown, it was 650 people when I grew-up
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> there, now
>>>
>>>
>>>>> it's up to 700
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get back to you tomorrow on how
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> things have
>>>
>>>
>>>>> changed. I'm glad to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> be back home. Mom and Dad are always good
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>>> inspiration.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll survive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Herb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> Parsons
>>>
>>>
>>>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What Obama and his ilk don't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> understand is
>>>
>>>
>>>>> that there are people that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> recognize right and wrong no matter who
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> it's
>>>
>>>
>>>>> directed at.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm in the 95% that would get a tax
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> cut under
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Obama's plan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like it because it takes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> away from the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> other 5% to give to me. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> hope someday to be in that 5%, and I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> wouldn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>> want that done to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all part of that old fashioned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> notion of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> do unto others as you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> would have them do unto you. I don't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> want
>>>
>>>
>>>>> anyone taking money from me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and saying "I'm going to give
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> this to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> someone else because they have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> less than you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I don't want it done to me,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>>> don't want it done to anyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I realize I'm a bit extreme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pay attention here, Joe the Plumber
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> is not
>>>
>>>
>>>>> doing mid-night repairs on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> peoples shitters. He is working
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> under someone
>>>
>>>
>>>>> else's license. If you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> know plumbing and plumbers then you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> know that
>>>
>>>
>>>>> it takes a seven year
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apprenticeship. How else does one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> become a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> plumber? So did Joe ask
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an invalid question because he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> didn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>> identify himself as "Joe the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apprentice Plumber"? The latest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> attack on
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Joe was from The One
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> himself, "how many plumbers do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> you know
>>>
>>>
>>>>> that make more than $250,000 a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> year?". You should know,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> lot's of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> plumbing contractors make that much
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The answer, "we need to share
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> wealth" is what is disturbing. You
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can't mathematically give 95% of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> people "tax cuts" when the bottom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 38% don't pay taxes. Even if
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> you could, I
>>>
>>>
>>>>> wouldn't be in the 95% and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as Tip O'neil used to say,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> "all
>>>
>>>
>>>>> politics is local". If almost 40% of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> voters have the chance to vote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> themselves a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> raise, they will. You now
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> only need a small percentage of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> party faithful
>>>
>>>
>>>>> to vote your way and,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PRESTO!, we've arrived at the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> tipping
>>>
>>>
>>>>> point our founding fathers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> worried about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is, we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> don't know
>>>
>>>
>>>>> what Obama will do, his
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> positions have shifted weekly. As a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> community
>>>
>>>
>>>>> organizer he helped
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shake down companies out of money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> As a grant
>>>
>>>
>>>>> administrator he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> distributed monies to organizations
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> based on
>>>
>>>
>>>>> race and radical ideas,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not sound education principles. As
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> a State
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Senator he either voted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "present" if it was a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> controversial
>>>
>>>
>>>>> issue or "Yea" if it involved
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> funneling money to Chicago cronies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>>> public/private enterprises,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> most of which failed. As a US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> Senator he
>>>
>>>
>>>>> followed the party line 97%
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of the time and wrote no major piece
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There isn't a whole lot in his
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> record of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> late to make judgements on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other than words. According to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> Obama, words
>>>
>>>
>>>>> mean something. So, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> guess that when he plans to raise
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> taxes and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> engage in restraint of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> trade he means it. Let's hope
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> that works
>>>
>>>
>>>>> out better than it did for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herbert Hoover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe this is what Dr. Johnson was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> thinking
>>>
>>>
>>>>> when he coined the phrase,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "it is the triumph of hope over
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> experience".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Collins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What was your point exactly,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Brad? You
>>>
>>>
>>>>> made mine quite nicely, thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are having trouble focusing.
>>>>>>>>> I am very well versed in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> plumbing, and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> have seen just how badly unlicensed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> plumbers can screw things up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Some of them
>>>
>>>
>>>>> even think shit can flow uphill,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I have the photos to prove
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tell all my intern engineers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> the first
>>>
>>>
>>>>> rule of construction is "shit flows
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> downhill", and have been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> telling them
>>>
>>>
>>>>> for 30 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My firm can plumb anything you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> like, we
>>>
>>>
>>>>> are licensed in 4 states. We abide
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> by the law of the land, as do
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> you.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get licensed Joe!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God bless your immature
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> heart. How
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the hell do you get experience?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You started out shitting in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> pants. Someone had to help you find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> your way to the John.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Attacking Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the Plumber because he doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have a license is silly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Allow me to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> let you in on a little secret
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here. I work in the most
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> regulated
>>>
>>>
>>>>> profession in the world. I get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tested at at minimum every
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> six months
>>>
>>>
>>>>> (I'm an examiner). I get a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> physical every six months.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Every day
>>>
>>>
>>>>> at work I'm subject to drug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> testing. Every day I'm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> subject to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> a random government oversight test.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I challenge you to find a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> profession
>>>
>>>
>>>>> that has a bigger microscope
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> focused on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are worried about a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> plumber?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Here's a clue kid! Shit flows
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> downhill. Plumbing is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> serious
>>>
>>>
>>>>> business. It takes 7 years of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> experience to get a plumbers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> license.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You have to be smart to get
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> one. But don't you cast
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> aspersions on someone who is working on a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> plumbing license or someone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> who is
>>>
>>>
>>>>> aspiring one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most of the PhD's I know
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instructions printed on the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> heel.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Never underestimate the common
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wisdom of someone who knows
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> direction of shit given gravity or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "shit from
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> shinola".
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:12
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> PM,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Andrew Collins
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear pdgrand nospam:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> awful post
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> " ... when decades
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> of liberal
>>>
>>>
>>>>> energy policy came home to roost "?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This post isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> worthy of even
>>>
>>>
>>>>> this lowly slug-fest we call a sailing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> forum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And whaddabout the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> subject line?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Ed where are you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have a new rule:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> you have
>>>
>>>
>>>>> to write it yourself not cut and paste
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> old uncorroborated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> opinion that
>>>
>>>
>>>>> oozes across the web?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if Joe is an
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> unlicensed
>>>
>>>
>>>>> plumber, he is just that. He should be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> licensed,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> take the tests, go to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> trade
>>>
>>>
>>>>> school. Do unlicensed pilots fly? Do
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered engineers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> practice,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> do unlicensed beauticians give facials?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This unlicensed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> tradesman is
>>>
>>>
>>>>> manipulating gas installations, connections
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the public water supply,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> connectiions to public sewer systems, etc. This
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> work brings with it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> responsibilities that every municipality requires
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied by obtaining a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> plumbing
>>>
>>>
>>>>> license before being allowed to this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> 2:37 PM,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> October 17, 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Plumber Joe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Been There,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Done That
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By C. Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Wright<http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God love you Joe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Bless your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> heart Joe. You, and people like you, are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what makes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> country work.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You make the country great. You get it --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> act on it -- and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> enrich
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the lives of your family and your friends
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> your communities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> charities as a result.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I think what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> should say
>>>
>>>
>>>>> now is "God help you Joe." Look, 16
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> plus
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> years ago I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> where you are
>>>
>>>
>>>>> now. And I must tell you if Obama wins, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> am pulling the plug
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> in a few
>>>
>>>
>>>>> months. I am out. I have had it. I am
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> preparing to destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> almost
>>>
>>>
>>>>> 100 jobs and lower my tax bracket and I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consider: 16 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ago I was
>>>
>>>
>>>>> statistically in poverty, but I had dreams
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a plan. At the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> time, the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> remnants of Reaganomics still set the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> economic tone and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> fired up
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Newt Gingrich was forcing conservatism on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> every time
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Bill and Hillary tried to move left.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> were actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> politicians who
>>>
>>>
>>>>> praised business owners and business in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> general. Against
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>>> backdrop, I've had a pretty good run.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> It's been
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> challenging and the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> move up was not a straight line, but I am
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> better off than I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> was 16 years
>>>
>>>
>>>>> ago. And 8 years ago. And 4 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so are a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> folks who have
>>>
>>>
>>>>> been on this ride with me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But Joe, I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> better off
>>>
>>>
>>>>> than I was just 2 years ago. That's when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> decades of liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> energy
>>>
>>>
>>>>> policy came home to roost and four dollar gas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> took several hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> thousands
>>>
>>>
>>>>> from my bottom line faster than I could
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly react.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> That same gas
>>>
>>>
>>>>> price slammed my customers -- and my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> customer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> customers --
>>>
>>>
>>>>> forcing our company into a vice of rapidly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rising
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs and rapidly
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> dropping
>>>
>>>
>>>>> revenues. Oh, and for fun, slower payments
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> our customers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That started the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ripple
>>>
>>>
>>>>> through the sub prime mortgage industry, and we
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> have all seen the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> unraveling
>>>
>>>
>>>>> of our financial system which was more or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> less totally
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> underpinned by
>>>
>>>
>>>>> real estate "values." Those assumed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> valuations
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> were the basis for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> any number
>>>
>>>
>>>>> of derivatives and credit swaps and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, forget all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> that Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Street talk. To you and me it means employees
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> are more desperate
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> for money,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> customers are less willing to buy, slower
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay and banks less
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> willing to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> lend. It certainly means whatever homes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 401K's you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> are worth
>>>
>>>
>>>>> less too which makes your bank even less
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> anxious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to lend to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> business. It
>>>
>>>
>>>>> is the main street carnage of "unfettered
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> government"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> onto small
>>>
>>>
>>>>> business. It is the destructive fruit of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> environmental
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> leftists, the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Fannie-Freddie cronies in government and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt liberals in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> positions
>>>
>>>
>>>>> of power.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And sadly, this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> also the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> result of George Bush giving into these
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> all too often in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> defense of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> his "new tone." (That worked out well,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it?) This was helped
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ironically by John McCain "reaching across
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> aisle"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to vote against tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> cuts and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> vote for energy restrictions and so on. All
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of this was nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> summed up
>>>
>>>
>>>>> by Mitt Romney when he said that our
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> stem from "too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> many
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Republicans acting too much like Democrats."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Now, if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the polls are
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> anywhere near
>>>
>>>
>>>>> accurate, we are going to get a taste of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "real
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats acting too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> much like
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Marxists" for at least a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitt was right, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> pundits said McCain was more acceptable to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> moderates. Hmmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Wonder if a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> financial turn-around specialist like Mitt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> might sell to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> moderates
>>>
>>>
>>>>> now? Just a wild thought from someone not
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> smart enough to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> beltway
>>>
>>>
>>>>> pundit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Joe, as someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> whose been
>>>
>>>
>>>>> there, let me tell you how this works,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> though I think you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> have a good
>>>
>>>
>>>>> idea. At the end of the year, as an LLC,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> do file taxes with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>
>>>>> business profit on my personal returns like many
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> others do as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> And yes,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> that figure is much bigger than 250
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thousand.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> really MY
>>>
>>>
>>>>> MONEY to keep. It's how I underpin my
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> business.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When customers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> disappear or
>>>
>>>
>>>>> take their time paying bills, I still have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay my employees,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> rent,
>>>
>>>
>>>>> suppliers, and countless other expenses. Every
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> penny that the tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> man takes
>>>
>>>
>>>>> out of that profit is less money that I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> stay in
>>>
>>>
>>>>> business for the next year. And if Obama and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reid and Pelosi take
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> more of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> this by "raising taxes on the rich"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> then of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> course my business
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>
>>>>> suffer. And so will all the employees.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is exactly what
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> almost
>>>
>>>
>>>>> none of those lawyers turned politicians
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> will have
>>>
>>>
>>>>> to send tax money into the government, Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> because the man who
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> is in
>>>
>>>
>>>>> charge of spending that money -- Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rangel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- damned sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> wasn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>> paying his fair share as we know now. Get out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> checkbook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> this matters
>>>
>>>
>>>>> only if you can afford to fill your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing vans with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> gas at gosh
>>>
>>>
>>>>> knows what price. It could be that the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> recession will lower
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the gas
>>>
>>>
>>>>> price, but that's not terribly good news
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you either, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> customers
>>>
>>>
>>>>> don't spend as much money in a recession. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, I hate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> burst your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> bubble, but small business owners are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounded by a sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>> challenges outside their control and almost all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> them are caused by
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> liberalism.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Government has formed a business firing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> squad and it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> doggone
>>>
>>>
>>>>> circle!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> guy. You
>>>
>>>
>>>>> might just have the genius and persistence to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> pull this off. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> really do
>>>
>>>
>>>>> hope so. As for me, I have had enough. I have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fought creeping
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> liberalism and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> managed more wins than losses over 17
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> years. We have
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> progressed to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> where our business, now a corporation,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> big enough so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Obama and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> his ilk now have their own ideas about
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "what
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger businesses
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>
>>>>> afford" and what "corporations can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> afford."
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I've got
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> news for
>>>
>>>
>>>>> him. I cannot afford what they think I can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> afford,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I am breaking her
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> up and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> giving her away to some key employees. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> them well too. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> are like
>>>
>>>
>>>>> you, tough and smart. Perhaps if they stay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> small enough and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> never can
>>>
>>>
>>>>> carry forward more than 250 thou to the next
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> year, they will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> allowed to
>>>
>>>
>>>>> keep their businesses through a downturn.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me? I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> outta here.
>>>
>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> part
>>>
>>>
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