[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Oct 25 14:08:50 EDT 2008


It's great to see that the "becoming a guy" stuff is starting to kick in.


elle wrote:
> Herb,
>  
> I know this weill be hard to believe, and I hope you are sitting down, but I agree with you.
>  
> I come from a long line of immigrants, whose mantra (if they knew that word back then) was;
> Use it up, 
> Wear it out,
> Make Do, 
> or do without.
> There was no welfare. You're poor? So's everyone else. Grow a garden & get your gun & you'll eat.
>  
> The Greatest Generation,(and they were) raised (correctly 'reared') a bunch of indulged Baby Boomers, who raised a bunch of slack-jawed, indolent, self-indulgent know nothings who think that flash & dash can substitute for substance, something they wouldn't recognize if it appeared on their iPhones. Hence the current state of political affairs. 
>  
> We have taken 'incentive' out of the vocabulary of America and replaced it with 'spread the wealth'...just more welfare by another name. 
>  
> And it's only going to get worse.
>  
> Dang. I hate politics.No more. We'll be screwed soon enuf.
>  
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There, Done That
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 1:26 PM
>
> Elle (and others),
>
> I know this is going to sound heartless, but I don't care. This is much 
> the reason we are in the mess we're in, and sinking deeper every year.
>
> Yes, it's sad that some parents (WAY too many "parents") put the
> TV, car 
> & rims, and whatever self-indulgent crappola in front of their kids.
>
> The problem is that when we try to make it "better" through programs 
> like the one mentioned, we not only enable the parents, we extend the 
> problem.
>
> Those kids will look back and say "My momma got by, my step-daddies all 
> had cool stuff, and we managed", and the process continues.
>
> I say don't enable them. There are abuse laws, including neglect, on the 
> books. Enforce them. Your kids aren't eating right? Fine, we'll drop
> you 
> food stamps, you obviously aren't using them correctly. Your kids
> aren't 
> in school like they're supposed to be, fine, we'll ticket you, and 
> arrest you if necessary. Sorry you can't control your children, I 
> suggest you begin learning how. Start by turning off the TV and spend 
> that time with them.
>
> The schools, no matter how dedicated the individuals are that are in 
> them, will never successfully be surrogate parents. They should get back 
> to doing what they CAN do successfully.
>
>
> elle wrote:
>   
>> And if they're hungry, they can't learn.
>>
>> Too often kids are last in line after the TV, car w/rims, and whatever
>>     
> self-indulgent crappola the 'parent' puts ahead of 'em.
>   
>> And we will be 'sharing the wealth 'with these poor folk after
>>     
> Nov. 4.
>   
>> elle
>>
>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> From: Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey Plumber Joe: Been There,
>>>       
> Done That
>   
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>       
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>   
>>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 3:40 PM
>>> elle,
>>>
>>> It always bugged me that school districts are required to
>>> pay for the free
>>> lunches (and breakfasts) for the "po."  Why
>>> should food be part of the
>>> school's budget?  If you don't have the money for
>>> your kids' food then you
>>> should be paying with your food stamps or WIC or whatever. 
>>> Except I know
>>> why.  If the schools didn't buy the food, the kids
>>> would go hungry.  Sad
>>> scenario.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:29 PM, elle
>>> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Herb,
>>>>
>>>> this brings up an interesting discussion I had
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> recently with a successful
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> small business  owner in this area who is very active
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> with volunteerism and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> youth. She had taught (not in a traditional edu
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> setting but through social
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> services) various types of sex ed & living
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> skills....
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I had taught school for @ 35 years...we were
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> discussing criteria for
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> welfare, social services, free lunch, etc.
>>>>
>>>> It was decided that using family income was a poor
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> measure of qualification
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> for bennies...what should set the bar are the
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> following:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> "1. How many cell phone plans are in use in your
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> household? How many
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> minutes for each plan?
>>>> 2. Square footage of your abode.
>>>> 3. How many large screen TV's are in your abode?
>>>> 4.How many licensed drivers in your home?
>>>> 5. How many vehicles are on your property? Give make,
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> model, year, and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> monthly payment for each.
>>>> 6. How many cases of beer or 5ths of booze are
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> consumed weekly by your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> household?
>>>> 7. How many children are in the home? How many fathers
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> are represented by
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> these children? You lose benefits for the 2nd thru
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> subsequent children of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> different fathers.
>>>>
>>>> " Your monthly benefit will be adjusted by
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> SUBTRACTING the cost of the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> above items from your welfare check. If you didn't
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> have all this crap you
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> can't afford, you could pay your own bills.
>>>>
>>>> When do I get elected?
>>>>
>>>> elle
>>>>
>>>> BTW..this was meant to be equally offensive to anyone
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> fulfilling the above
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> criteria. No race, color, creed requirement.
>>>>
>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>   (Lady in Red)
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Herb Parsons
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL Hey
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> Plumber Joe: Been There, Done
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> That
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 8:22 PM
>>>>> Brad!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to see if I'm completely clear on
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> this:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> You're in the 99th percentile as far as
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> monetary wealth
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> goes.
>>>>> You and foreign born wife accomplished this in a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> single
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> generation.
>>>>> And you're unwilling to share your quickly
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> found wealth
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> with those poor
>>>>> folks that have struggled for 3 or 4 generations
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> to break
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> free from
>>>>> their poverty, and now only ask that they have a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> few
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> necessities in life
>>>>> like calbe for their color TV's and cell
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> phones.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> I'm sure there's some racist motivation
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> in your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> refusal to share the wealth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fan and I are BARELY in the 99% percentile
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> we're not rich. She
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> arrived here in 1989 shortly after Tienanmen
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> Square
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> with two suit
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> cases and $50 US money and I met her ten
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> years later
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> after her second
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> graduate degree and third job.  We struck a
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> bond
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> because after decades
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> of living a "macroni and cheese
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> lifestyle",
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> maybe a "rice and noodles"
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> lifestyle would be more appropriate - we
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> found
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> ourselves on the path
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> to success. Now we're being told that
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> we're
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> guilty of something.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> It's always good to go home to
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> Brownstown,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Illinois.  The town has
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> grown, it was 650 people when I grew-up
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> there, now
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> it's up to 700
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll get back to you tomorrow on how
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> things have
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> changed.  I'm glad to
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> be back home.  Mom and Dad are always good
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> for
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> inspiration.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> We'll survive!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Herb
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>> Parsons
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> What Obama and his ilk don't
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> understand is
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> that there are people that
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> recognize right and wrong no matter who
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> it's
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> directed at.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I'm in the 95% that would get a tax
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> cut under
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Obama's plan.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like it because it takes
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> away from the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> other 5% to give to me. I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> hope someday to be in that 5%, and I
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> wouldn't
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> want that done to me.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> It's all part of that old fashioned
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> notion of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> do unto others as you
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> would have them do unto you. I don't
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> want
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> anyone taking money from me
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> and saying "I'm going to give
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> this to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> someone else because they have
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> less than you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I don't want it done to me,
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>> I
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> don't want it done to anyone else.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> But, I realize I'm a bit extreme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pay attention here, Joe the Plumber
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> is not
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> doing mid-night repairs on
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> peoples shitters.  He is working
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> under someone
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> else's license. If you
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> know plumbing and plumbers then you
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> know that
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> it takes a seven year
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> apprenticeship.  How else does one
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> become a
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> plumber?  So did Joe ask
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> an invalid question because he
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> didn't
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> identify himself as "Joe the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> Apprentice Plumber"? The latest
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> attack on
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Joe was from The One
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> himself, "how many plumbers do
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> you know
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> that make more than $250,000 a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> year?".  You should know,
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> lot's of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> plumbing contractors make that much
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> and more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The answer, "we need to share
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> wealth" is what is disturbing.  You
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> can't mathematically give 95% of
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> people "tax cuts" when the bottom
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> 38% don't pay taxes.  Even if
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> you could, I
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> wouldn't be in the 95% and
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> as Tip O'neil used to say,
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> "all
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> politics is local". If almost 40% of
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> voters have the chance to vote
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> themselves a
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> raise, they will.  You now
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> only need a small percentage of
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> party faithful
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> to vote your way and,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> PRESTO!, we've arrived at the
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> tipping
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> point our founding fathers
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> worried about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The truth of the matter is, we
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> don't know
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> what Obama will do, his
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> positions have shifted weekly.  As a
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> community
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> organizer he helped
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> shake down companies out of money. 
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> As a grant
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> administrator he
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> distributed monies to organizations
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> based on
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> race and radical ideas,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> not sound education principles.  As
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> a State
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Senator he either voted
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> "present" if it was a
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> controversial
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> issue or "Yea" if it involved
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> funneling money to Chicago cronies
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> for
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> public/private enterprises,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> most of which failed.  As a US
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> Senator he
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> followed the party line 97%
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> of the time and wrote no major piece
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> There isn't a whole lot in his
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> record of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> late to make judgements on
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> other than words.  According to
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> Obama, words
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> mean something.  So, I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> guess that when he plans to raise
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> taxes and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> engage in restraint of
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> trade he means it.  Let's hope
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> that works
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> out better than it did for
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> Herbert Hoover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe this is what Dr. Johnson was
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> thinking
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> when he coined the phrase,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> "it is the triumph of hope over
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>> experience".
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:37 PM,
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>> Andrew
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Collins
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What was your point exactly,
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> Brad? You
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> made mine quite nicely, thank you.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> You are having trouble focusing.
>>>>>>>>> I am very well versed in
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> plumbing, and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> have seen just how badly unlicensed
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> plumbers can screw things up.
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> Some of them
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> even think shit can flow uphill,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> and I have the photos to prove
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> it.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>> I tell all my intern engineers
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> the first
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> rule of construction is "shit flows
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> downhill", and have been
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> telling them
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> for 30 years.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> My firm can plumb anything you
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> like, we
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> are licensed in 4 states. We abide
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>> by the law of the land, as do
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> you.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>> Get licensed Joe!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM,
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>> Brad
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God bless your immature
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> heart.  How
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> the hell do you get experience?
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> You started out shitting in
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> pants.  Someone had to help you find
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> your way to the John. 
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> Attacking Joe
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> the Plumber because he doesn't
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> have a license is silly. 
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> Allow me to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> let you in on a little secret
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> here.  I work in the most
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> regulated
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> profession in the world.  I get
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> tested at at minimum every
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> six months
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> (I'm an examiner).  I get a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> physical every six months. 
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> Every day
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> at work I'm subject to drug
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> testing.  Every day I'm
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> subject to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> a random government oversight test.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>  I challenge you to find a
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> profession
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> that has a bigger microscope
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> focused on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are worried about a
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> plumber?
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Here's a clue kid!  Shit flows
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> downhill.  Plumbing is
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> serious
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> business.  It takes 7 years of
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> experience to get a plumbers
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> license.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> You have to be smart to get
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> one.  But don't you cast
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>> aspersions on someone who is working on a
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> plumbing license or someone
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> who is
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> aspiring one.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> Most of the PhD's I know
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>> couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> instructions printed on the
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> heel.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Never underestimate the common
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> wisdom of someone who knows
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> direction of shit given gravity or
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>> "shit from
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> shinola".
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:12
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>> PM,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Andrew Collins
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear pdgrand nospam:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> awful post
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> " ... when decades
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> of liberal
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> energy policy came home to roost "?
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>> This post isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> worthy of even
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> this lowly slug-fest we call a sailing
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> forum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> And whaddabout the
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> subject line?
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Ed where are you?
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>> Can we have a new rule:
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> you have
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> to write it yourself not cut and paste
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> old uncorroborated
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> opinion that
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> oozes across the web?
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>> And if Joe is an
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> unlicensed
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> plumber, he is just that. He should be
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> licensed,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> take the tests, go to
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> trade
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> school. Do unlicensed pilots fly? Do
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered engineers
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> practice,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> do unlicensed beauticians give facials?
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This unlicensed
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> tradesman is
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> manipulating gas installations, connections
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> the public water supply,
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>> connectiions to public sewer systems, etc. This
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>> work brings with it
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>> responsibilities that every municipality requires
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> be
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>> satisfied by obtaining a
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> plumbing
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> license before being allowed to this
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> of work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>> 2:37 PM,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> <pdgrand at nospam.wmis.net> wrote:
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> October 17, 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Plumber Joe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> Been There,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Done That
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> By C. Edmund
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> Wright<http://www.americanthinker.com/c_edmund_wright/>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> God love you Joe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> Bless your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> heart Joe.  You, and people like you, are
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> what makes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> country work.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> You make the country great. You get it --
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> act on it -- and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> enrich
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> the lives of your family and your friends
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> your communities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> charities as a result.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I think what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> should say
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> now is "God help you Joe."  Look, 16
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> plus
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> years ago I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> where you are
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> now. And I must tell you  if Obama wins, I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> am pulling the plug
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> in a few
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> months. I am out. I have had it.  I am
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> preparing to destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> almost
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> 100 jobs and lower my tax bracket and I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consider: 16 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> ago I was
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> statistically in poverty, but I had dreams
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> and a plan. At the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> time, the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> remnants of Reaganomics still set the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> economic tone and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> fired up
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Newt Gingrich was forcing conservatism on
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> every time
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Bill and Hillary tried to move left.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>  There
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> were actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> politicians who
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> praised business owners and business in
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> general.  Against
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> that
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> backdrop, I've had a pretty good run.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> It's been
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> challenging and the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> move up was not a straight line, but I am
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> better off than I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> was 16 years
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> ago. And 8 years ago. And 4 years ago.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> so are a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> folks who have
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> been on this ride with me.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> But Joe, I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> better off
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> than I was just 2 years ago. That's when
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> decades of liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> energy
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> policy came home to roost and four dollar gas
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> took several hundred
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> thousands
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> from my bottom line faster than I could
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibly react. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> That same gas
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> price slammed my customers -- and my
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> customer's
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> customers --
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> forcing our company into a vice of rapidly
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> rising
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs and rapidly
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> dropping
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> revenues. Oh, and for fun, slower payments
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> our customers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That started the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> ripple
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> through the sub prime mortgage industry, and we
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> have all seen the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> unraveling
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> of our financial system which was more or
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> less totally
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> underpinned by
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> real estate "values." Those assumed
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> valuations
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> were the basis for
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> any number
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> of derivatives and credit swaps and so on.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, forget all
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> that Wall
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Street talk. To you and me it means employees
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> are more desperate
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> for money,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> customers are less willing to buy, slower
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay and banks less
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> willing to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> lend. It certainly means whatever homes
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> 401K's you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> are worth
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> less too which makes your bank even less
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> anxious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> to lend to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> business. It
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> is the main street carnage of "unfettered
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> government"
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> onto small
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> business. It is the destructive fruit of
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> environmental
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> leftists, the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Fannie-Freddie cronies in government and
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt liberals in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> positions
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> of power.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> And sadly, this is
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> also the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> result of George Bush giving into these
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> all too often in
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> defense of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> his "new tone." (That worked out well,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> it?) This was helped
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>> ironically by John McCain "reaching across
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> aisle"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> to vote against tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> cuts and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> vote for energy restrictions and so on. All
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> of this was nicely
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> summed up
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> by Mitt Romney when he said that our
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> stem from "too
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> many
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Republicans acting too much like Democrats."
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> Now, if
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> the polls are
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> anywhere near
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> accurate, we are going to get a taste of
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> "real
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats acting too
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> much like
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Marxists" for at least a few years.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitt was right, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> pundits said McCain was more acceptable to the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> moderates. Hmmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> Wonder if a
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> financial turn-around specialist like Mitt
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> might sell to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> moderates
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> now? Just a wild thought from someone not
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> smart enough to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> beltway
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> pundit.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Joe, as someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> whose been
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> there, let me tell you how this works,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> though I think you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> have a good
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> idea.  At the end of the year, as an LLC,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> do file taxes with
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> the
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> business profit on my personal returns like many
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> others do as well. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> And yes,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> that figure is much bigger than 250
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> thousand.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> But that's not
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> really MY
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> MONEY to keep. It's how I underpin my
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> business.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> When customers
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> disappear or
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> take their time paying bills, I still have
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay my employees,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> rent,
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> suppliers, and countless other expenses. Every
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> penny that the tax
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> man takes
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> out of that profit is less money that I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> to carry forward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> stay in
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> business for the next year. And if Obama and
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reid and Pelosi take
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> more of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> this by "raising taxes on the rich"
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> then of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> course my business
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> will
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> suffer. And so will all the employees.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is exactly what
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> almost
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> none of those lawyers turned politicians
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But of course, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> will have
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> to send tax money into the government, Joe,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> because the man who
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> is in
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> charge of spending that money -- Charlie
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> Rangel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- damned sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> wasn't
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> paying his fair share as we know now. Get out
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> that
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> checkbook.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> this matters
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> only if you can afford to fill your
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> plumbing vans with
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> gas at gosh
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> knows what price. It could be that the
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> recession will lower
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> the gas
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> price, but that's not terribly good news
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> you either, since
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> customers
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> don't spend as much money in a recession. I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, I hate to
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> burst your
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> bubble, but small business owners are
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounded by a sea
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> of
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> challenges outside their control and almost all
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> them are caused by
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> liberalism.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> Government has formed a business firing
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> squad and it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> doggone
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> circle!
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish you well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> guy.  You
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> might just have the genius and persistence to
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> pull this off. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> really do
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> hope so. As for me, I have had enough. I have
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> fought creeping
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> liberalism and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> managed more wins than losses over 17
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> years. We have
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> progressed to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> where  our business,  now a corporation,
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>  is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> big enough so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> Obama and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> his ilk now have their own ideas about
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> "what
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger businesses
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> can
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> afford" and what "corporations can
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>> afford."
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I've got
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> news for
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> him. I cannot afford what they think I can
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> afford,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I am breaking her
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> up and
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> giving her away to some key employees.  I
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> wish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> them well too. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> are like
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> you, tough and smart. Perhaps if they stay
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> small enough and
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> never can
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> carry forward more than 250 thou to the next
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> year, they will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> allowed to
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> keep their businesses through a downturn.
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me? I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> outta here.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next
>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>> part
>>>     
>>>       
>>>>> --------------
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
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