[Rhodes22-list] Palin the rogue

Sat Oct 25 22:35:53 EDT 2008

Dave,

As Herb mentioned, this would be a 60/40 race without Palin.  Will she
swing the middle?  I don't know the answer to that question.  I'm
guessing it will split evenly and that may not be enough.

For me, I would probably have voted for McCain over Hillary but
wouldn't have ruled out voting for Hillary. McCain has never been a
favorite of mine.

Vote for Obama?  This is a man who either studied under, worked for,
or was financed by Rezko, Khalidi, Saed, Ayers, Klonsky, Palmer, the
list goes on and on.

My wife grew-up with the "Little Red Book" as a primary reader.  She's
not kidding when she says this campaign reminds her of the Cultural
Revolution.

Hyperbole?  We'll see.

Brad

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:20 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> We share many of the same values, if not most.  We probably share a
> tax bracket.  We do stand on different sides of how to view a few
> percentage point change in tax rates.  I view it as more of the same,
> you seem to view it as a fundamental shift.  The Bush tax breaks gave
> more back to the middle class than the higher tax brackets.
>
> I did read your atricle from Fred Smith.  He's a great leader.  I've
> worked for some great leaders too.  They are divided on this election.
>
> More to the point.  What I guess you are saying is that you see Sarah
> Palin as having a better shot at swinging the vote with her message
> than staying on message with McCain.  More power to you and yours.  I
> would be more worried about the "real" John McCain I saw at the Alfred
> Smith dinner closing the gap than I am the divisive Sarah Palin.
>
> T-minus 10 days and counting.  I'll be glad when this is over.  Or at
> least, when we get to the next chapter.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> No, I haven't written it off.  Kerry was leading in the polls at this
>> same point.  Obama polled a lot higher going into the late primaries
>> than the vote he actually got, hence, a consistent ass-kicking by
>> Hillary in the closing days.  But, I'm a realist.
>>
>> The middle?  I skipped the middle.  I grew up working poor, spent the
>> first ten years of my adult life working poor, and poof! overnight
>> became so called "upper middle class".
>>
>> My wife and I have a bulls eye on our backs.  We already max out the
>> limits on what we can save tax-free, we already have our tax
>> deductions reduced, we can't participate in Roth IRA's,  we can't
>> contribute to Coverdale ESA for our daughter's college - we're rich!
>>
>> The truth is, we're not rich.  My wife and I both have above average
>> jobs that we both worked our asses off for and now find ourselves
>> defined as "rich". Most people don't realize just how close to being
>> "rich" they are, and trust me, this $250,000 threshold is an illusion.
>>
>> Am I in the "middle" philosophically?  If "in the middle" means I how
>> I raised my boys, ie,
>> "work hard, study in school, pay your bills, show-up on time", etc.,
>> then I'm in the middle.
>>
>> Part of what being a conservative means to me is to help others get
>> ahead.  I'm very proud of what our little company has donated on the
>> Mississippi Gulf Coast after Katrina to help people get back on their
>> feet.
>>
>> Hold a gun to my head and demand that I contribute, I quickly develop
>> a different attitude.
>>
>> Did you read the article I posted earlier about my boss?  Fred has
>> educated more people, moved more people into the middle and upper
>> classes, helped buy more homes and educate more kids than a thousand
>> 'community organizers'.
>>
>> Call me a radical for believing in free enterprise. An yes, Sarah
>> Palin speaks to my sensibilities!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:28 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sure, I get that.  Only trouble is, she's not running for president.
>>> Have you written off the election?  I think it's going to be close.
>>>
>>> What you don't seem to "get" is that more people in the middle are put
>>> off by her persona and message than not, and the middle is what
>>> carries every election.  Do you still see yourself as representing a
>>> middle (i.e., moderate) view?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> You don't get it do you?  Palin is the only conservative (actually
>>>> more libertarian) in this race.  She isn't driving ANY conservatives
>>>> away.  McCain has already done that, as well as some Republicans.
>>>>
>>>> You are smart enough to figure this all out on your own aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Oh I saw it.  That's why I bothered to post this article.  She's a
>>>>> loose cannon, playing a material role in driving conserviatve
>>>>> comentators and undecided voters to Obama.  Yep, you go girl.  Drive
>>>>> that wedge, nice and deep at about the 45th percentile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Herb,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave didn't pay attention to my earlier post today.  He didn't listen
>>>>>> to our excitement when Palin was named to the ticket.  He obviously
>>>>>> missed the "Free Sarah Palin" movement early in the campaign.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The longer they misunderstand Sarah Palin the better!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frankly, I'm not sure if Sarah can save John McCain from John McCain,
>>>>>> but she's taken the gloves and is fighting for herself now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You go Girl!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Some of us don't care if she makes McCain's aides happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David Bradley wrote:
>>>>>>>> It looks like the McCain camp thinks Palin has turned rogue candidate.
>>>>>>>>  Another example to me of lack of experience in the majors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Story Highlights
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sources say there is brewing tension between McCain aides and Palin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Palin aide says she is trying to take control of her message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," says a McCain adviser
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >From Dana Bash, Peter Hamby and John King CNN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (CNN) -- With 10 days until Election Day,
>>>>>>>> long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov.
>>>>>>>> Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense,
>>>>>>>> they are spilling out in public, sources say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become
>>>>>>>> increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going
>>>>>>>> rogue."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to
>>>>>>>> "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged
>>>>>>>> roll-out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they
>>>>>>>> privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an
>>>>>>>> instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often
>>>>>>>> used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the
>>>>>>>> campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling
>>>>>>>> reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of
>>>>>>>> Michigan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself
>>>>>>>> more than the McCain campaign.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain
>>>>>>>> adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us,
>>>>>>>> her family or anyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next
>>>>>>>> leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as
>>>>>>>> they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at
>>>>>>>> process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls
>>>>>>>> were answers to process questions.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more
>>>>>>>> control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news
>>>>>>>> conference on a Colorado tarmac.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over
>>>>>>>> after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt
>>>>>>>> tried several times to end the unscheduled session.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We acknowledge that perhaps she should have been out there doing
>>>>>>>> more," a different Palin adviser recently said, arguing that "it's not
>>>>>>>> fair to judge her off one or two sound bites" from the network
>>>>>>>> interviews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Politico reported Saturday on Palin's frustration, specifically
>>>>>>>> with McCain advisers Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt. They helped
>>>>>>>> decide to limit Palin's initial press contact to high-profile
>>>>>>>> interviews with Charlie Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS, which
>>>>>>>> all McCain sources admit were highly damaging.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In response, Wallace e-mailed CNN the same quote she gave the
>>>>>>>> Politico: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal
>>>>>>>> belief is that the most honorable thing to do is to lie there."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended
>>>>>>>> the decision to keep her press interaction limited after she was
>>>>>>>> picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the
>>>>>>>> missteps could have been a lot worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They insisted that she needed time to be briefed on national and
>>>>>>>> international issues and on McCain's record.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was
>>>>>>>> dramatic," said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the
>>>>>>>> process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was
>>>>>>>> probably the "hardest" to get her "up to speed than any candidate in
>>>>>>>> history."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Schmitt came to the back of the plane Saturday to deliver a statement
>>>>>>>> to traveling reporters: "Unnamed sources with their own agenda will
>>>>>>>> say what they want, but from Gov. Palin down, we have one agenda, and
>>>>>>>> that's to win on Election Day."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet another senior McCain adviser lamented the public recriminations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "This is what happens with a campaign that's behind; it brings out the
>>>>>>>> worst in people, finger-pointing and scapegoating," this senior
>>>>>>>> adviser said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This adviser also decried the double standard, noting that Democratic
>>>>>>>> nominee Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, has gone off
>>>>>>>> the reservation as well, most recently by telling donors at a
>>>>>>>> fundraiser that America's enemies will try to "test" Obama.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual;
>>>>>>>> vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with
>>>>>>>> the top of the ticket.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John
>>>>>>>> Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in
>>>>>>>> public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack
>>>>>>>> dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political
>>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's
>>>>>>>> aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being
>>>>>>>> scheduled for campaign events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan
>>>>>>>> Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now
>>>>>>>> being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the presidential race in its final days and polls suggesting that
>>>>>>>> McCain's chances of pulling out a win are growing slim, Palin may be
>>>>>>>> looking after her own future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "She's no longer playing for 2008; she's playing 2012," Democratic
>>>>>>>> pollster Peter Hart said. "And the difficulty is, when she went on
>>>>>>>> 'Saturday Night Live,' she became a reinforcement of her caricature.
>>>>>>>> She never allowed herself to be vetted, and at the end of the day,
>>>>>>>> voters turned against her both in terms of qualifications and
>>>>>>>> personally
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