[Rhodes22-list] Political reply to Ben C - you are kidding?
Benjamin Cittadino
bigben65 at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 26 01:27:42 EDT 2008
Herb,
When Palin quoted PEGLER she already knew everything about him and his
agenda. She knew he was a bigot, a racist, an anti-semite, a horrible
person. PEGLER had fully revealed the depravity of his psyche. She chose to
quote him depite what she knew about him.
When Obama quoted Wright Obama says he knew nothing of Wright's ultimately
depaved views. You don't believe him. I do. When he learned of the truth
about Wright he forcefully rejected him. There is no way Palin can deny
knowing about Pegler. She chose to quote him directly. Why? Why him? Lots of
people have praised small towns. She chose Pegler and no amount of you
calling me names yet again can change that fact. To this day Palin has not
explained her use of Peglers words or uttered one criticism of Pegler. Why?
I believe it's because his message of hate is her message of hate. And she
wants us to know that. Otherwise, why not say, it was a mistake, that she
rejects Pegler as Obama rejects Wright.
Please note I have kept a civil tone with you here. Let's be realistic
Herb. To a neutral, or undecided person, how do your words come across? In
case you haven't noticed Herb I am not really writting to, or for, you. I am
not so foolish as to think I will change your mind. I'm writing for the
people out there who read this stuff. Apparently, there are afew who do.
They have said in one way or another that they enjoy the debates, but don't
like the personal attacks. Your insulting names (pompous et al)may help you
discharge your obvious frustration, but it doesn't win votes for your
candidates. And it demeans us all.
Ben C.
hparsons wrote:
>
> I don't know Ben. Is she a fan? Obama quoted from Rev Wright, does that
> mean he subscribes to the same view as "god damn America" Wright?
>
> You've taken your assumption that Pegler is her "role model". How about
> the possibility that she simply admired the words that he wrote? Nah,
> that wouldn't fit your agenda.
>
> I think Ben Afflack is a great actor, but his politics sucks.
>
> What a pompous person you are to designate for her to me what her "plan"
> is based on her quotation from a book.
>
> You spouted off on here about a "damnable lie" when something you didn't
> care for was attributed to you, yet here you are making the ridiculous
> claim that Palin stands for the same things as the man whose book she
> quoted.
>
> I'll repeat your words to you, it's a damnable lie. You should be ashamed.
>
> But, let's take the comparison of these "role models" a little further.
>
> Look at the words, and those words alone, that Palin quoted. As you
> said, innocuous enough.
>
> Now look at the words that the man at the top of the ticket on the other
> side chose to quote:
>
> This is about a brochure from Dr Wright's church:
>
> -=-
> There was one particular passage in Trinity’s brochure that stood out,
> though, a commandment more self-conscious in its tone, requiring greater
> elaboration. “A Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness,” the
> heading read. “While it is permissible to chase ‘middleincomeness’ with
> all our might,” the text stated, those blessed with the talent or good
> fortune to achieve success in the American mainstream must avoid the
> “psychological entrapment of Black ‘middleclassness’ that hypnotizes the
> successful brother or sister into believing they are better than the
> rest and teaches them to think in terms of ‘we’ and ‘they’ instead of
> ‘US’!”
>
> My thoughts would often return to that declaration in the weeks that
> followed as I met with various members of Trinity.
>
> -=-
>
> Of course, now that it suits his needs, Obama wants to support the
> middle class. He needs their votes.
>
> Another quote from his book, this time Wright's own words that Obama
> used in his book:
>
> -=-
> "It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a
> day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white
> folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy
> in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!…."
>
> (now Obama's words in response to Wright's)
>
> Those stories-of survival, and freedom, and hope-became our story, my
> story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears;
> until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel
> carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger
> world
>
>
> =====
>
> So, Palin quotes a notable, and noteworthy, quote, and you ascribe to
> her every belief and philosphy of the author.
>
> Yet your chosen one quotes from an avowed and unapologetic bigot, and
> uses bigoted words in the quote, and then claims those words "became my
> story" and you give him a pass.
>
> Ben, how can you possibly not see the hypocrisy.
>
> Does The One quoting moronic words, not great words from a moronic man,
> but moronic words from a moronic man, not make him a bigot???
>
> Of course not, not in the blind view of the leftist.
>
> But, at least you didn't call her words divisive and sarcastic. Did you
> get a little off-message?
>
> It's encouraging though to see that you realize that there's a
> possibility that she'll be elected. If so, then yeah, I'll take part of
> the "blame" for it.
>
> Proudly.
>
>
> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>> Herb;
>>
>> I think it is important to point out that among the very first quotes you
>> cite from Sarah Palin as complimentary to her is from her convention
>> acceptance speech. She quoted a "writer" (presumably a writer she
>> admires)
>> who said, "we grow good people in our small towns...etc".
>> An innocuous enough statement, except that it was written by WESTBROOK
>> PEGLER. We must assume she is a fan of old PEGLER, don't you think? I
>> mean
>> why choose him to quote from if you don't follow his philosophy. She
>> could
>> have chosen from thousands of writers complimentary to small town life
>> (especially since she is so well read and intelligent, according to her
>> supporters)
>>
>> Well, Herb look up Sarah's role model will you? He was among the most
>> evil
>> people ever to walk in this great country. He was a virulent racist and
>> anti-semite. Ask Brad or Ed, they'll tell you.
>> The man was a "MORON", and an evil stinking waste of a human body.
>>
>> Frank Rich had this to say on this subject recently in the NY Times:
>>
>> No less disconcerting was a still-unexplained passage of Palin’s
>> convention
>> speech: Her use of an unattributed quote praising small-town America (as
>> opposed to, say, Chicago and its community organizers) from Westbrook
>> Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism,
>> racism and violent rhetorical excess. After an assassin tried to kill
>> F.D.R.
>> at a Florida rally and murdered Chicago’s mayor instead in 1933, Pegler
>> wrote that it was “regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara shot the wrong man.”
>> In
>> the ’60s, Pegler had a wish for Bobby Kennedy: “Some white patriot of the
>> Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises
>> before
>> the snow falls.”
>>
>> Sarah was sending a mesaage to us Herb. Were you listening? I was. I
>> know
>> exactly where she stands. Now so do you. If you help her get elected you
>> will have no one to blame but yourself when she carries out her agenda.
>>
>> Ben Cittadino
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Rich recently referred to this subject in the NYTimes as follows,
>>
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> No Ben, you're not "on to something". You're picking the worst of her
>>> statements, and comparing them to the bets of Obama's.
>>>
>>> Obama and his campaign public ridiculed McCain because he didn't use the
>>> internet, with the clear implication it was because of his age. Is that
>>> the "inspire us to be and do great" man your presenting? I don't think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Here's a famous one from Obama:
>>> "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like
>>> them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to
>>> explain their frustrations."
>>>
>>> Not exactly a "unifying" message, especially if you happen to like guns
>>> or religion.
>>>
>>> And even though he doesn't want her included in the election, Michelle
>>> Obama's now infamos "For the first time, I'm proud to be an American"
>>> have meaning, and are worth noting.
>>>
>>> And Palin responded to both messages (if not the exact words). She said:
>>>
>>> A writer observed: 'We grow good people in our small towns, with
>>> honesty, sincerity, and dignity.' I know just the kind of people that
>>> writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.
>>>
>>> I grew up with those people. They are the ones who do some of the
>>> hardest work in America … who grow our food, run our factories, and
>>> fight our wars. They love their country, in good times and bad, and
>>> they’re always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of
>>> my life in a small town.
>>>
>>> Now, those words might not inspire the academic elite, but there are
>>> common people like myself for whom they have meaning.
>>>
>>> And you notice, nary a word of sarcasm, division, or mean-spiritedness.
>>> I couldn't say the same of either of the comments made by the Obama's.
>>>
>>> Here are some more from her that say a lot without being divisive, mean
>>> spirited, or even sarcastic (with one small exception, the last one):
>>>
>>> =====
>>> Politics isn't just a game of competing interests and clashing parties.
>>> The people of America expect us to seek public office and to serve for
>>> the right reasons. And the right reason is to challenge the status quo
>>> and to serve the common good.
>>> -=-
>>> The right reason (for politics) is to challenge the status quo, to serve
>>> the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.
>>> -=-
>>> Now, no one expects us to agree on everything, whether in Juneau or in
>>> Washington. But we are expected to govern with integrity and good will
>>> and clear convictions and a servant's heart.
>>> -=-
>>> I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of
>>> self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.
>>> -=-
>>> And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is
>>> America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.
>>> -=-
>>> I am a Washington outsider. I do not have those allegiances to the power
>>> brokers, to the lobbyists. We need someone like that in Washington,
>>> someone committed to the American people and implementing their will,
>>> not the power brokers’ will.
>>> -=-
>>> I believe in the strength and the power of women, and the potential of
>>> every human life
>>> -=-
>>> Every child, of every ability, is to be cherished and loved and taught.
>>> Every child provides this world hope. They are the most beautiful
>>> ingredient in our sometimes muddied up world. I am committed to our
>>> children and their education. Stepping through “the door” is about more
>>> than passing a standardized test. We need kids prepared to pass life’s
>>> tests–like getting a job and valuing a strong work ethic.
>>> -=-
>>> This one, though a little bit sarcastic, sums up MY attitude about
>>> Obama's "style"
>>>
>>> But listening to him (Barack Obama) speak, it's easy to forget that this
>>> is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or
>>> reform, not even in the state Senate.
>>>
>>> Personally, I believe what you're doing is looking for excuses on why
>>> you dislike Palin that sound better than the truth of "She messed up our
>>> plans for an easy victory"
>>> //
>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, you're on to something. When my wife listens to Obama she hears
>>>> Chairman Mao.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Benjamin Cittadino
>>>> <bigben65 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You know Brad,Herb and Ed, I have been trying to think of a way to
>>>>> express my
>>>>> biggest problem with Palin. I think I may have the germ of an idea,
>>>>> not
>>>>> fully formed yet but I'd be interested in your reaction. Ross Perot,
>>>>> crazy
>>>>> little bugger that he was, did have a point when he said that one of
>>>>> the
>>>>> most important jobs of the President was to make use of the "bully
>>>>> pulpit"
>>>>> that the office provides. The Pres has no legislative or judicial
>>>>> power
>>>>> but
>>>>> it is the power of inspiration and advocacy, and the power to make
>>>>> Americans
>>>>> feel good about themselves, and/or become motivated to meet great
>>>>> challenges
>>>>> as a nation that makes the office so important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think about listening to FDR, Kennedy, Reagan and Bush Sr. These men
>>>>> moved
>>>>> us to handle the challenges of their times. Clinton was such a man as
>>>>> well.
>>>>> When we listen to Barak Obama speak, I believe most Americans hear
>>>>> similar
>>>>> inspiration. Even you men, if you could forget what you think you
>>>>> know
>>>>> about his past, if you just LISTEN to the words, he makes everybody
>>>>> who
>>>>> listens to him want to be and do great.
>>>>>
>>>>> When people listen to Ms Palin, half are inspired to hate the other
>>>>> half.
>>>>> In the words of "W", she's a divider not a uniter. Her sarcastic and
>>>>> mean
>>>>> spirited references to real Americans vs. THE OTHERS, is a call to the
>>>>> worst
>>>>> in each of us, a call to blame THEM for our troubles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you see? Do you hear it? Am I on to something here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>> TN Rhodey-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb, I do see the difference. I also understand the scholarship is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> raising your kids. Do you see that? You ignored that part of my post.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> wonder why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My definition would includes the most prestigious scholarship i am
>>>>>> aware
>>>>>> of.
>>>>>> Can you name a more prestigious academic scholarship? You respond to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> post
>>>>>> but never answered the question. I do agree that more people seek a
>>>>>> HS
>>>>>> diploma than a Rhodes Scholarship. You will argue the silliest
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway iyou agreed with main point....a Rhodes Scholarship does not
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> a good person or president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Herb Parsons
>>>>>> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben's Definition - "single most prestigious, competitive, sought
>>>>>>> after,
>>>>>>> challenging, and rewarding academic honor…"
>>>>>>> Wally's Definition - "a highly sought after ACADEMIC scholarship"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do hope you see the difference between the two. I'd be willing to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> a bet with anyone on here, ANYONE. I'd be willing to bet that there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> more people seeking a high school diploma in any one year than there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> seeking Rhodes scholarships. I think a HS diploma would be a much
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> sought after honor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the problem with hyperbole. People get so caught up in saying
>>>>>>> things that they quickly lose track of what they are saying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, the real point to this is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does having gaining a Rhodes scholarship make on more qualified for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> white house? I don't think so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed, Perhaps you are letting your opinion of Clinton tarnish the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> achievement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of a Rhodes Scholarship. As Ben mentioned it is a highly sought
>>>>>>>> after ACADEMIC scholarship. This is not his definition this is
>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there a more prestigious post graduate scholarship offered?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Rhodes scholarship is not awarded for raising a family or
>>>>>>>> imparting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> approved values. It is nothing like Mormons sent abroad.....they
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> selected for their mission based on academics. Many who achieve the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> honors you mention are later selected for a Rhodes Scholarship.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most seem to recognize that a Rhodes Scholarship is awarded to the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cream
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the academic crop. Beings a Rhodes Scholar does not guarantee high
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> morals,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> post graduate achievement, or groom one for future presidency. I
>>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> many Rhodes scholars own Rhodes sailboats?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar…" "Surely you realize this
>>>>>>>>> post
>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>> grant is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
>>>>>>>>> challenging, and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> receive. Please tell me you accept that fact."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben in American it is acceptable to have people with other
>>>>>>>>> opinions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> understood that one opinion is not necessarily the absolute
>>>>>>>>> epiphany.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So as to your statement, I will accept what you said about 'a
>>>>>>>>> Rhodes
>>>>>>>>> Scholar' as fact to you. And that is your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My opinion is not the same and my values are not the same. And I
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> Americans who share my opinion, and may know some who share yours.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for the part that part that says, "single most prestigious,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> competitive,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sought after, challenging, and rewarding academic honor…" I
>>>>>>>>> suggest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> may be true, but only to those who seek that specific type
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> recognition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your definition does not include 'Scientific Achievements' of an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nature. Your definition does not include 'Achievements' of
>>>>>>>>> economic,
>>>>>>>>> religious, social (to include community) and a plethora of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> achievements
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> may have other or different academic measurements.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I give the Rhodes Scholar the same or equal weight as cum laude
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> summa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cum laude, or other academic honors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In summary, while it is nice to have some who go to another
>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>> for a year or two, I do not limit my recognition of important
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> achievement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> that group. I am not a Mormon, but their practice of sending
>>>>>>>>> young
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> men
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> missions to different parts of this country or other countries
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> accomplishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a similar education.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A researcher who finds important medical facts about diseases to
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> equal or greater achievement. than a Rhodes Scholar. And, note
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can be accomplished in an Academic laboratory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A young lady who finds a husband and has several children and
>>>>>>>>> imparts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> those children important societal values to me is a higher
>>>>>>>>> achievement
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your Rhodes Scholar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, we do not agree. Others are free to agree with you. What we
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> talking about is the difference between 'Conservative' values and
>>>>>>>>> liberalism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>> addendum, ""A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> high virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The
>>>>>>>>> laws
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in
>>>>>>>>> danger,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of higher obligation." Thomas Jefferson
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Benjamin Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tootle;
>>>>>>>>>> I recently called Bill Clinton a genius in defending my position
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is not her accent that makes Sarah Palin a moron. Clinton has a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pronounced
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> accent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As you must have known , but perhaps have blocked from your
>>>>>>>>>> memory,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. Surely you realize this post
>>>>>>>>>> graduate
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is the single most prestigious, competitive, sought after,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> challenging,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and rewarding academic honor that a college graduate can receive.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> tell me you accept that fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Clinton speaks in complete, gramatically correct, coherant
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> English
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sentences. His paragraphs have a beginning, a middle and an end
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hang
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> together as eloquent expressions of a complete thought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Clinton can talk for hours on esoteric subjects of foreign
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> domestic policy, without notes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He is spontaneously witty, charming, quick, and isn't afraid to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "intellectual". He is utterly unafraid to be challenged on any
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> anyone, and is a persuasive advocate for his point of view.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Palin spouts transparently canned lines, which almost
>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> include
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the words, "maverick, soccar Mom, pit bull, Joe six-pack, hockey
>>>>>>>>>> mom,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> americans, and/or you betcha" over and over. She has one talent,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sarcasm,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and it is no wonder to me why she is so popular with some of the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She wants to be VP to a man who has had multiple bouts with
>>>>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cancer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and is of advanced age.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not alone in my assessment of this person. David Brooks and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> right of center writers like Peggy Noonan and others feel exactly
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> way. I'm in good company in my assessment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who thinks she is not a moron? As far as I can tell, only afew
>>>>>>>>>> hardy
>>>>>>>>>> souls on this forum. Well, good luck with that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PS- for purposes of this discussion I define moron as a person of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intellectual incapacity who is also mean, nasty, sarcastic and
>>>>>>>>>> adds
>>>>>>>>>> nothing to the public discourse. It is a function of both
>>>>>>>>>> attitude
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AND
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> aptitude.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PPS-Yes Tootle I know that makes me a moron in your eyes. I can
>>>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is he getting the thirst for 'politics'? Maybe the governorship
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Illinois, Pennsylvania, Virginia ... sounds like he as an
>>>>>>>>>>> audience
>>>>>>>>>>> waiting...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20149918/WigeeBoard.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>> WigeeBoard.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Bullshit-and-the-Art-of-Crap-Detection---Political-tp20148504p20163445.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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