[Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Oct 27 22:50:17 EDT 2008
The Allied not only had a fridge, it had a FREEZER!! But, that was a
luxury that was probably not totally needed (besides, the compressor
went out the 3rd day, and they didn't have a replacement in when we
stopped).
Spring sounds good to me. Gini and were thinking motorcycle trip about
that time, but the down the ditch sounds more of an adventure.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Herb,
>
> My boat will clear the lowest bridge at Mobile without demasting so
> the ditch is just a time issue. She'll sleep three adults easily
> without anyone sharing a berth and I'm thinking that would be the
> ideal number of crewmembers. Did you have a fridge or just an
> ice-box? (I have only an ice box). My day-job airplane is going away
> sometime after the first of the year and I don't have a class date
> until June. This Spring might be the perfect window of opportunity
> for me.
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
>> I am going to hold you to that one!!!!
>>
>> Down the ditch the motor is OK skipper, but once we hit the open water,
>> I think it should only be used in emergencies. Forget the equipment
>> hauler, any boat trip (even under power) is better than seeing the same
>> highways again.
>>
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> Great story. A beer drinking buddy of mine in Gulfport sold his
>>> center cockpit 30' S2, exactly like mine, three weeks before Katrina.
>>> The new owner's boat disappeared. Every time I'm in town he asks when
>>> I'm bringing the CoraShen down the "ditch" (Tenn-Tom waterway) for a
>>> cruise to Mexico. The ditch takes about a week to Mobile and you have
>>> to motor the whole way. I have an equipment trailer that would haul
>>> her if we built a cradle as an alternative. Right now it's all big
>>> talk. If we ever take action, you'll be the first person I call.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> A friend of mine from NO (Slidell actually), lost his boat that was
>>>> slipped across mine during Katrina. He used the insurance money to buy a
>>>> 39' Allied Princess in Florida, and needed it to be moved to Houston. We
>>>> planned on 7 days, but had a little trouble with the diesel and had to
>>>> detour to Biloxi.
>>>>
>>>> I had actually sailed my boat down the coast of Texas from Corpus
>>>> Christi to Port Isabel (and almost decided to move to Port Isabel in the
>>>> process), but that was the first time time to lose sight of land. There
>>>> is something almost magical about looking behind you, and suddenly
>>>> realizing that even the haze of the hotel buildings is gone, and all you
>>>> see is sky and water. I honestly believe that is what I was born for.
>>>>
>>>> The waves glow at night in some areas with the luminance of the marine
>>>> life in them. We had flying fish literally fly into the cockpit (we
>>>> didn't eat them, though I asked if they were decent food). I was shocked
>>>> at the depth, and breadth, of the Gulf waters that turn from blue to
>>>> brown from the flow of the Mississippi. And there's something that
>>>> almost haunting to hear an oil platform's low moan of a warning siren
>>>> when your surrounded by darkness and a light fog. Another memory that
>>>> stands out clearly was watching a Carnival Cruise liner pass in the
>>>> darkness, lit up like a small city, and thinking to myself "Those people
>>>> think THAT'S a cruise...."
>>>>
>>>> I've never been seasick in my life, and thought this would be a good
>>>> time to find how much I can take. Though we never had bad weather, the
>>>> second night out, it was VERY rough seas. The layout of the Allied
>>>> Princess doesn't have as much room as other boats the same size that
>>>> I've seen, and the "plan" was for the four of us was to alternate
>>>> between the two usable berths (one older guy couldn't stand watch, but
>>>> he was a great cook, and wanted to make one last sail, sadly, this was
>>>> it, he passed six months later, more on him in a moment). I was so
>>>> excited, I stayed awake all of the first night. The second night, the
>>>> rough sees night, I told them I was going to make room for myself in the
>>>> V-berth, so I wouldn't have to alternate berths. They all laughed and
>>>> said I'd last a night at the most.
>>>>
>>>> I remember bedding down after my 10-2 (10pm, 2am) watch in 10' seas,
>>>> thinking "OK, this isn't so bad. Sort of like a ride at Six Flags. I'm
>>>> not sure I can sleep though...." Next thing I knew, it was 6:30, and the
>>>> cook was asking me if I wanted to eat breakfast or sleep all day. They
>>>> all laughed about how they could see air underneath me on some of the
>>>> waves, but I never stirred.
>>>>
>>>> I had the last laugh, we had blueberry pancakes. ALL of them lost their
>>>> breakfast. I did not. I've still never been seasick. I hope for another
>>>> opportunity someday soon.
>>>>
>>>> The cook (I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember his name), had major
>>>> heart surgery about 6 months prior. He was told that he would probably
>>>> not survive. He sold his two boats, and his retirement homes, to provide
>>>> for his wife.
>>>>
>>>> Then he survived, and was boatless. He told the owner that he would like
>>>> to come with us for one final sail, but couldn't handle the rigors of
>>>> standing a regular watch. He would ride along, relieve briefly when
>>>> needed, but would cook all of our meals. This guy was amazing at what he
>>>> could cook on an alcohol stove, in a pitching boat on 10' seas. We ate
>>>> like kings, I kid you not. When we fixed the clogged fuel filters in
>>>> Biloxi, he begged off the rest of the trip. It was too hard on him, but
>>>> he thanked us profusely for the opportunity to sail again. I was proud
>>>> to have been a small part of giving that to another sailor.
>>>>
>>>> On last funny story from the trip. Because I was (believe it or not) the
>>>> youngest of the remaining 3 (at 49 years old), I drew cooking duties.
>>>> I'm not a cook. My first morning, I said "Well guys, no blueberry
>>>> pancakes, but I've done my best. You've got two choices:
>>>>
>>>> You can have scrambled egges
>>>>
>>>> Or you can go hungry"
>>>>
>>>> On the plus side, everyone kept breakfast down on that calm morning.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone (OK, ALMOST anyone) needing help moving a boat across the water,
>>>> give me a shout. That was one of the best vacations I've had.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>> Tell me about the time on the Gulf, business or pleasure? What form
>>>>> of transport. Exotic or mundane?
>>>>> And yes no one should judge you (or me) till they've introduced themselves
>>>>> and gotten to know us, I think.
>>>>> Chris G
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the computer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really DON'T mean to just be argumentative on this one, but I DON'T
>>>>>> see Metaphor's point. I've come home (after sailing across the gulf for
>>>>>> 10 days) to over 3000 emails in my in box. I dare say I didn't miss any
>>>>>> important ones. The little red X in Thunderbird is pretty easy to use.
>>>>>> It only takes me a line or two to see if an email is something I really
>>>>>> need, or just chatter. Most are chatter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>> Thanks for that well reasoned, and humorous response; like Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> C. I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> never quite dispair, and then you come through with such a great
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> response.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see Metaphor's point but if he just stays around till after the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> election
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> he can bennifite from all the Fasciests, Commies, Sheep, and wolves on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> list because after all we are all boating lambs...well except when it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> comes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to which type of motor to use, or anchor or.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris G
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the computer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Wager/Crabber?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you a gambler? Perhaps a crabber?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rude? Self impressed? No sir, I'm a pilot. Think about it and
>>>>>>>> figure it out for yourself. Little man - aggrandized view of your own
>>>>>>>> importance? What part of pilot don't you get? I'm not a aggrandized
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> little man, I am a god!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Listen. My adventures have been "bigger-than-life" for a kid of a
>>>>>>>> construction worker from a town of 650 people. The amazing thing is,
>>>>>>>> they are not bullshit and if you envy them then you have a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, many of us on this board have dined and stayed at each other's
>>>>>>>> house, sailed on each other's boats, and come to each other's rescue
>>>>>>>> in private. You might want to lurk a bit longer before you become so
>>>>>>>> judgmental.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To answer your question about boats and boat names - I once owned a
>>>>>>>> Rhodes22 and I regret the day I sold it. I now own a 30' S2 named the
>>>>>>>> "CoraShen" after my daughter Cora and her grandfather Mr. Shen. Mr.
>>>>>>>> Shen died recently. He was a "little man" who was "aggrandized" by
>>>>>>>> his thousands of employees and one of the kindest and gentlest men I
>>>>>>>> ever met. His story is buried in the archives of this list. There's
>>>>>>>> a lot of interesting history there, and as Ed would say, "search the
>>>>>>>> archives".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should consider barking for awhile on this list before you
>>>>>>>> default to biting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Metaphor <mwager at bluecrab.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Haslitt,
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I get the impression that you are a rude, self impressed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> man with an aggrandized view of your own importance. You copy a lot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> posts from other sources, and tell grand stories about yourself and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bigger-than-life adventures, but otherwise offer little of substance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people don't agree with you, you belittle them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you own or sail a Rhodes? If not, why are you even on this forum?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have had many questions answered by sailors, but none by you I learn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> by simply listening to what they have to say. You just seem to blow
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> own horn so loudly that only you can hear the sound of your own
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pomposity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are forums out there that are in the big leagues. You might find
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> challenges in one of those more demanding than pandering to your two
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on this one. Other forums that I participate in have an PM (private
>>>>>>>>> mnessage) option that allows for personal conversation between
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it is not available on this thread, you might try regular emails
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you and your two other friends.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I probably could figure out how to use the filters here, but too often
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> these threads, posts are not properly (should I say honestly) labeled,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> filters don't work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way, Metaphor is the name of my boat. What is the name of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> yours?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Met, uh, Phor?
>>>>>>>>>> You're smart enough to bitch, you're probably smart enough to filter
>>>>>>>>>> your e-mail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Metaphor <mwager at bluecrab.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've got a simple question, but mostly applied to Herb and Brad, and
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>> to Tootle:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you guys have jobs or real lives, or do you spend all day on the
>>>>>>>>>>> internet
>>>>>>>>>>> and then posting to this forum? There are a couple of other volume
>>>>>>>>>>> posters,
>>>>>>>>>>> but none so prolific as you are. I get the sense that the sailors
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> much giving up getting airtime in competition with the political
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> this forum.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I try to follow the various threads, but have lost interest in this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> forum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> because it has so little to do with sailing, Rhodes 22's or nautical
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> general. Reading the same paranoid information from the three of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>> and over again is tiresome, so much so that I've begun to applaud
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> challengers -- Ben C, petelargo, etc., simply because they are
>>>>>>>>>>> challenging
>>>>>>>>>>> you, and I have (but not always) voted Republican.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your time would be better spent arguing on a political forum rather
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> sailing one, and leaving this forum to talk about the boring details
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 -- you know, technical issues, innovative re-designs or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fixes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sailing techniques, great sailing adventures, that kind of stuff of
>>>>>>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>>>>>> to Rhodes 22 owners and sailors... certainly there would be fewer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> posts,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> the Rhodes 22 boat issues would not be so buried under the volume of
>>>>>>>>>>> political posts found here. A search of the internet would probably
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> few sites that you might find more of a political nature. Thanks...
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/How-much-time-do-you-spend-on-the-computer--tp20180185p20180185.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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