[Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip

Tue Oct 28 20:21:05 EDT 2008

Steve,

I have mentioned that part of my excitment in acquiring a Rhodes 22 this
year came from the fact that I served aboard a Philip Rhodes designed
oceangoing minesweeper; a naval combatant vessel designed (and built) in the
early 1950's when we needed wooden-hulled ships to avoid destruction
(theoretically) from magnetic mines. She was 171' long, drew about 12' of
water, had 4 500hp aluminum Packard diesel engines for main propulsion, twin
variable pitch props, and could do about 16 kts wide open. She wasn't bad
looking with a "tuna clipper type" bow and a low counter from which we could
stream minesweeping gear off the stern.  Mine was the USS EXPLOIT (MSO 440)
and I was the engineering officer (the logical choice since I had been a
political science major and knew nothing about diesels, electricity,
machinery, or engineering). 

Anyway, I had never gotten seasick until some genius decided we should help
land a battalion of marines at Reid State Park in Maine in JANUARY of 1972.
Operation "Snowy Beach".   I have never been so cold. We had an open bridge
(no heat) and the weather was miserable. Our little division of 4 MSO's was
ordered to a course that put us right in the trough of the seas. It was just
like "The Caine Mutiny". We were taking the most frightening rolls in those
seas (I swear to this day I read the clinometer as taking a 52 degree roll). 
I thought I was pretty salty but I was terrified.

I got off watch and went below to try to wedge myself into a bunk, but had
to pass through the crew's mess, where afew saltier Chiefs were chowing down
on big plates of "Chef Boy ar Dee" canned ravioli. I lost my lunch, dinner
and breakfast in one great barf. And the worst part is, once you're sick you
stay sick. It was the worst three days of my life. I thought I was going to
die.

Thanks for evoking that memory. I haven't thought about my seasickness
adventure in a long time.

Best,

Ben C.

Steven Alm wrote:
> 
> Nice story, Herb.  Thanks for writing it up.  I can tell you something
> about
> sea sickness.  I had it once but oddly it happened in much calmer seas
> than
> other rides I've been on so it might have been something I ate.   It was
> absolutely miserable.   You only need one thing to make you comfortable
> and
> you're not going to get it--for the boat to stop rocking.  So every second
> is pure misery.  I did all the things they say to do--stay top side and
> watch the horizon, etc. but nothing stopped the motion so nothing stopped
> the sickness.  It eventually subsided after about an hour even though the
> boat was still rocking and then I was fine.  We didn't have Dramamine on
> board so I don't know if that helps.
> 
> Another time at sea when I was performing on a cruise ship, we hit a bad
> storm and most were sick--not me this time.  I've never seen so much mass
> puking in my life.  It was surrealistic and actually became funny but only
> because it wasn't happening to me.  The real tragedy was that every bottle
> in the crew bar slid off the shelves and broke.  Not funny.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com>wrote:
> 
>> You know how sometimes you have a thought in your head - you know what
>> you're thinking but can't quite put it into words? (Maybe you don't
>> know, maybe that's just approaching senility) Anyway, you came up with
>> the term I was looking for - I'd like to know what my threshold level is
>> on seasickness.
>>
>> I'm sure if I was in a real storm (haven't been dere done dat yet) on
>> the open water, and trying to sleep below, I'd succumb. I'm sure I'm not
>> immune (I don't think anyone is), but I can tell that my tolerance is
>> higher than many.
>>
>> Caesar Paul wrote:
>> > Hi Herb,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the account of your sailing trip; you told it well.  I would
>> like to sail out in the wild and beautiful blue yonder sometime.  My hope
>> is
>> that is somewhere in my future.
>> >
>> > Sounds like it was a lot of fun.  I have never been sea-sick either and
>> am curious to discover what my threshold level is.
>> >
>> > Caesar
>> >
>> > --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Herb's sailing trip
>> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:36 PM
>> >
>> > A friend of mine from NO (Slidell actually), lost his boat that was
>> > slipped across mine during Katrina. He used the insurance money to buy
>> a
>> > 39' Allied Princess in Florida, and needed it to be moved to Houston.
>> We
>> > planned on 7 days, but had a little trouble with the diesel and had to
>> > detour to Biloxi.
>> >
>> > I had actually sailed my boat down the coast of Texas from Corpus
>> > Christi to Port Isabel (and almost decided to move to Port Isabel in
>> the
>> > process), but that was the first time time to lose sight of land. There
>> > is something almost magical about looking behind you, and suddenly
>> > realizing that even the haze of the hotel buildings is gone, and all
>> you
>> > see is sky and water. I honestly believe that is what I was born for.
>> >
>> > The waves glow at night in some areas with the luminance of the marine
>> > life in them. We had flying fish literally fly into the cockpit (we
>> > didn't eat them, though I asked if they were decent food). I was
>> shocked
>> > at the depth, and breadth, of the Gulf waters that turn from blue to
>> > brown from the flow of the Mississippi. And there's something that
>> > almost haunting to hear an oil platform's low moan of a warning siren
>> > when your surrounded by darkness and a light fog. Another memory that
>> > stands out clearly was watching a Carnival Cruise liner pass in the
>> > darkness, lit up like a small city, and thinking to myself "Those
>> people
>> > think THAT'S a cruise...."
>> >
>> > I've never been seasick in my life, and thought this would be a good
>> > time to find how much I can take. Though we never had bad weather, the
>> > second night out, it was VERY rough seas. The layout of the Allied
>> > Princess doesn't have as much room as other boats the same size that
>> > I've seen, and the "plan" was for the four of us was to alternate
>> >
>> > between the two usable berths (one older guy couldn't stand watch, but
>> > he was a great cook, and wanted to make one last sail, sadly, this was
>> > it, he passed six months later, more on him in a moment). I was so
>> > excited, I stayed awake all of the first night. The second night, the
>> > rough sees night, I told them I was going to make room for myself in
>> the
>> > V-berth, so I wouldn't have to alternate berths. They all laughed and
>> > said I'd last a night at the most.
>> >
>> > I remember bedding down after my 10-2 (10pm, 2am) watch in 10' seas,
>> > thinking "OK, this isn't so bad. Sort of like a ride at Six Flags.
>> > I'm
>> > not sure I can sleep though...." Next thing I knew, it was 6:30, and
>> the
>> > cook was asking me if I wanted to eat breakfast or sleep all day. They
>> > all laughed about how they could see air underneath me on some of the
>> > waves, but I never stirred.
>> >
>> > I had the last laugh, we had blueberry pancakes. ALL of them lost their
>> > breakfast. I did not. I've still never been seasick. I hope for another
>> > opportunity someday soon.
>> >
>> > The cook (I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember his name), had major
>> > heart surgery about 6 months prior. He was told that he would probably
>> > not survive. He sold his two boats, and his retirement homes, to
>> provide
>> > for his wife.
>> >
>> > Then he survived, and was boatless. He told the owner that he would
>> like
>> > to come with us for one final sail, but couldn't handle the rigors of
>> > standing a regular watch. He would ride along, relieve briefly when
>> > needed, but would cook all of our meals. This guy was amazing at what
>> he
>> > could cook on an alcohol stove, in a pitching boat on 10' seas. We ate
>> > like kings, I kid you not. When we fixed the clogged fuel filters in
>> > Biloxi, he begged off the rest of the trip. It was too hard on him, but
>> > he thanked us profusely for the opportunity to sail again. I was proud
>> > to have been a small part of giving that to another sailor.
>> >
>> > On last funny story from the trip. Because I was (believe it or not)
>> the
>> > youngest of the remaining 3 (at 49 years old), I drew cooking duties.
>> > I'm not a cook. My first morning, I said "Well guys, no blueberry
>> > pancakes, but I've done my best. You've got two choices:
>> >
>> > You can have scrambled egges
>> >
>> > Or you can go hungry"
>> >
>> > On the plus side, everyone kept breakfast down on that calm morning.
>> >
>> > Anyone (OK, ALMOST anyone) needing help moving a boat across the water,
>> > give me a shout. That was one of the best vacations I've had.
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>> >
>> >> Herb,
>> >>         Tell me about the time on the Gulf, business or pleasure? 
>> What
>> >>
>> > form
>> >
>> >> of transport.  Exotic or mundane?
>> >> And yes no one should judge you (or me) till they've introduced
>> >>
>> > themselves
>> >
>> >> and gotten to know us, I think.
>> >> Chris G
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>
>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:02 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>> computer?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Chris,
>> >>>
>> >>> I really DON'T mean to just be argumentative on this one, but I
>> >>>
>> > DON'T
>> >
>> >>> see Metaphor's point. I've come home (after sailing across the
>> >>>
>> > gulf for
>> >
>> >>> 10 days) to over 3000 emails in my in box. I dare say I didn't
>> >>>
>> > miss any
>> >
>> >>> important ones. The little red X in Thunderbird is pretty easy to
>> use.
>> >>> It only takes me a line or two to see if an email is something I
>> >>>
>> > really
>> >
>> >>> need, or just chatter. Most are chatter.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Brad,
>> >>>>         Thanks for that well reasoned, and humorous response; like
>> >>>>
>> > Ben
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> C. I
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> never quite dispair, and then you come through with such a great
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> response.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> I see Metaphor's point but if he just stays around till after
>> >>>>
>> > the
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> election
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> he can bennifite from all the Fasciests, Commies, Sheep, and
>> >>>>
>> > wolves on
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> this
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> list because after all we are all boating lambs...well except when
>> >>>>
>> > it
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >> comes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> to which type of motor to use, or anchor or.......
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Chris G
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >>>>
>> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How much time do you spend on the
>> >>>>
>> > computer?
>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Wager/Crabber?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Are you a gambler?  Perhaps a crabber?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Rude?  Self impressed?  No sir, I'm a pilot.  Think about
>> >>>>>
>> > it and
>> >
>> >>>>> figure it out for yourself.  Little man - aggrandized view of
>> >>>>>
>> > your own
>> >
>> >>>>> importance?  What part of pilot don't you get?  I'm
>> >>>>>
>> > not a  aggrandized
>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>> little man, I am a god!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Listen.  My adventures have been "bigger-than-life"
>> >>>>>
>> > for a kid of a
>> >
>> >>>>> construction worker from a town of 650 people.  The amazing
>> >>>>>
>> > thing is,
>> >
>> >>>>> they are not bullshit and if you envy them then you have a
>> >>>>>
>> > problem.
>> >
>> >>>>> Again, many of us on this board have dined and stayed at each
>> >>>>>
>> > other's
>> >
>> >>>>> house, sailed on each other's boats, and come to each
>> >>>>>
>> > other's rescue
>> >
>> >>>>> in private. You might want to lurk a bit longer before you
>> >>>>>
>> > become so
>> >
>> >>>>> judgmental.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To answer your question about boats and boat names - I once
>> >>>>>
>> > owned a
>> >
>> >>>>> Rhodes22 and I regret the day I sold it.  I now own a 30'
>> >>>>>
>> > S2 named the
>> >
>> >>>>> "CoraShen" after my daughter Cora and her
>> >>>>>
>> > grandfather Mr. Shen.  Mr.
>> >
>> >>>>> Shen died recently.  He was a "little man" who was
>> >>>>>
>> > "aggrandized" by
>> >
>> >>>>> his thousands of employees and one of the kindest and gentlest
>> >>>>>
>> > men I
>> >
>> >>>>> ever met.  His story is buried in the archives of this list.
>> >>>>>
>> > There's
>> >
>> >>>>> a lot of interesting history there, and as Ed would say,
>> >>>>>
>> > "search the
>> >
>> >>>>> archives".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Perhaps you should consider barking for awhile on this list
>> >>>>>
>> > before you
>> >
>> >>>>> default to biting.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Metaphor
>> >>>>>
>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mr. Haslitt,
>> >>>>>> Sorry, but I get the impression that you are a rude, self
>> >>>>>>
>> > impressed
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> little
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> man with an aggrandized view of your own importance.   You
>> >>>>>>
>> > copy a lot
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >> of
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>> posts from other sources, and tell grand stories about
>> >>>>>>
>> > yourself and
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >> your
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>> bigger-than-life adventures, but otherwise offer little of
>> >>>>>>
>> > substance.
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> When
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> people don't agree with you, you belittle them.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>  Do you own or sail a Rhodes?  If not, why are you even on
>> >>>>>>
>> > this forum?
>> >
>> >>>>>> I have had many questions answered by sailors, but none by
>> >>>>>>
>> > you I learn
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> most
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> by simply listening to what they have to say.  You just
>> >>>>>>
>> > seem to blow
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> your
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> own horn so loudly that only you can hear the sound of
>> >>>>>>
>> > your own
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> pomposity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> There are forums out there that are in the big leagues.
>> >>>>>>
>> > You might find
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> challenges in one of those more demanding than pandering
>> >>>>>>
>> > to your two
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> friends
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> on this one.  Other forums that I participate in have an
>> >>>>>>
>> > PM (private
>> >
>> >>>>>> mnessage) option that  allows for personal conversation
>> >>>>>>
>> > between
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> individuals.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> If it is not available on this thread, you might try
>> >>>>>>
>> > regular emails
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> between
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> you and your two other friends.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I probably could figure out how to use the filters here,
>> >>>>>>
>> > but too often
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> these threads, posts are not properly (should I say
>> >>>>>>
>> > honestly) labeled,
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> so
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> filters don't work.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> By the way, Metaphor is the name of my boat.  What is the
>> >>>>>>
>> > name of
>> >
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >> yours?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Met, uh, Phor?
>> >>>>>>> You're smart enough to bitch, you're probably
>> >>>>>>>
>> > smart enough to filter
>> >
>> >>>>>>> your e-mail.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Brad
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Metaphor
>> >>>>>>>
>> > <mwager at bluecrab.org>
>> >
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>> I've got a simple question, but mostly applied
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > to Herb and Brad, and
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> somewhat
>> >>>>>>>> to Tootle:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Do you guys have jobs or real lives, or do you
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > spend all day on the
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> internet
>> >>>>>>>> and then posting to this forum?  There are a
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > couple of other volume
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> posters,
>> >>>>>>>> but none so prolific as you are. I get the sense
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > that the sailors
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>> pretty
>> >>>>>>>> much giving up getting airtime in competition with
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > the political
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> nature
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>> this forum.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I try to follow the various threads, but have lost
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > interest in this
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> forum
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> because it has so little to do with sailing,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > Rhodes 22's or nautical
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> life
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> general.  Reading the same paranoid information
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > from the three of
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> you
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>> over
>> >>>>>>>> and over again is tiresome, so much so that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > I've begun to applaud
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >> your
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>> challengers -- Ben C, petelargo, etc.,  simply
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > because they are
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> challenging
>> >>>>>>>> you, and I have (but not always) voted Republican.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Your time would be better spent arguing on a
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > political forum rather
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> sailing one, and leaving this forum to talk about
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > the boring details
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 -- you know, technical issues,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > innovative re-designs or
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> fixes,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> sailing techniques, great sailing adventures, that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > kind of stuff of
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> interest
>> >>>>>>>> to Rhodes 22 owners and sailors... certainly there
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > would be fewer
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> posts,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>> the Rhodes 22 boat issues would not be so buried
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > under the volume of
>> >
>> >>>>>>>> political posts found here.  A search of the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > internet would probably
>> >
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> find
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>> few sites that you might find more of a political
>> >>>>>>>>
>> > nature.  Thanks...
>> >
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