[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 29 21:28:28 EDT 2008
No...it never arrived...yet the others have.
I'll be heading to he Outer Banks on Nov.14 for a photo workshop...I'll be coming around or through Hampton....that might be a good time for a stop & a cuppa.
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:32 PM
> hmmm.. sent to watermusic38 at yahoo.com at 11:20
> yesterday.
>
> did you get it yet?
>
> Give me a call when it works out for you to meet for coffee
> or lunch.
>
> Saroj
> 757 871-6697
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>
>
> > Saroj.
> >
> > 11:50pm...nothing yet.
> >
> >
> > elle
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
> (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
> >> I sent you an email back channel... let me know if
> it
> >> doesn't get to you.
> >>
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "elle"
> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
> cap
> >> sealant? reply to
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >>
> >> > Saroj,
> >> >
> >> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm
> just a bit
> >> up the road in the upper
> >> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News every
> two weeks
> >> on marina
> >> > business.......and will go thru Hampton in
> two weeks
> >> on my way to the
> >> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
> >> >
> >> > elle
> >> >
> >> > We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >> can adjust our sails.
> >> >
> >> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic"
> >> (Lady in Red)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> >> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Saroj Gilbert
> <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard
> repair -
> >> cap sealant? reply to
> >> >> Saroj
> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27 PM
> >> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks all for the info. Based on what
> I've
> >> read,
> >> >> I'm going to replace all
> >> >> the screws with bolts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Lou, are you the one who did the write-up
> with
> >> Roger in
> >> >> 2005-2006? When you
> >> >> say "torque" are you implying
> you
> >> actually used a
> >> >> torque wrench or just as a
> >> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
> >> >>
> >> >> My centerboard lift line has a different
> >> configuration from
> >> >> that in the
> >> >> article I referenced above. It starts
> from a
> >> small U
> >> >> bracket fore of the
> >> >> foremost block on the cap. Since the
> blocks on
> >> the CB were
> >> >> broken I don't
> >> >> know how it was threaded below, but it
> seems to
> >> have gone
> >> >> from that loop
> >> >> thru the highest block on the CB, back up
> to the
> >> the
> >> >> foremost block on the
> >> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back down
> to the
> >> lower block
> >> >> on the CB (2-3
> >> >> inches below the other one) then up thru
> the aft
> >> block on
> >> >> the cap which acts
> >> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole and
> nipple for
> >> the lift
> >> >> line. It seems
> >> >> that there should be another block lower
> down on
> >> the CB to
> >> >> give an extra
> >> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on the
> extreme,
> >> but I
> >> >> never had any
> >> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB before
> the
> >> break.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm still wondering what
> sealant/caulk to use.
> >> The guy
> >> >> at West Marine
> >> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is
> essentially
> >> an
> >> >> adhesive like 5200,
> >> >> just not as permanent. Lou, what did you
> use?
> >> Seems like
> >> >> an underwater
> >> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would work
> well.
> >> I've
> >> >> never had any trouble
> >> >> with leaking, but I might as well do it
> right
> >> while its
> >> >> apart. I would
> >> >> consider changing the gasket but it
> appears to be
> >> in very
> >> >> good condition.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house for
> the past
> >> 4 years,
> >> >> so Pathfinder has
> >> >> been on the hard in my back yard during
> that time.
> >> It
> >> >> wasn't worth paying
> >> >> the slip fees when I didn't have time
> to use
> >> it.
> >> >> We're replacing the mast
> >> >> lights... the anchor light lens was
> cloudy and I
> >> lost the
> >> >> steaming/deck
> >> >> light when a branch fell on it. I'm
> replacing
> >> the
> >> >> anchor light with an
> >> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck light
> with
> >> LED. Figure
> >> >> that will help
> >> >> the battery charging life, and will be
> installing
> >> a solar
> >> >> panel for trickle
> >> >> charge.
> >> >>
> >> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding &
> >> varnishing and
> >> >> have to clean up some
> >> >> sap on the deck. Washed all the lines
> and the
> >> sails and
> >> >> she is just about
> >> >> back to sailing condition. She still
> looks great
> >> even at
> >> >> her advanced age
> >> >> of 24 years!
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll continue on with the cosmetic
> work
> >> (screens,
> >> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
> >> >> over the next year; but we're hoping
> to get a
> >> few sails
> >> >> in before winter
> >> >> "really" gets here, although
> the way
> >> things are
> >> >> going that may be
> >> >> optimisitc. Monday afternoon it was
> delightful
> >> sailing
> >> >> weather. Today it
> >> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for
> this region.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a few
> years ago
> >> (Rob, was
> >> >> that you?), but I
> >> >> haven't run into any Rhodes owners in
> the
> >> Tidewater
> >> >> region. I'm living in
> >> >> Hampton now.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and the
> great
> >> information
> >> >> to help us get
> >> >> this project completed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Saroj
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
> >> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard
> repair -
> >> cap
> >> >> sealant? reply to
> >> >> Saroj
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Rik
> >> >>
> >> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap. I prefer
> to
> >> tighten the
> >> >> nut under
> >> >> the cap using a closed end wrench with
> >> >> my electric driver and the correct wide
> phillips
> >> bit in
> >> >> place. Do a
> >> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up boots
> >> >> and torque the nut with a rachet wrench
> with the
> >> phillips
> >> >> bit and
> >> >> just hold the nut in place with the same
> closed
> >> end wrench
> >> >> (7/16")
> >> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard cap,
> trunk
> >> and board
> >> >> including
> >> >> the mechanical advantage
> >> >>
> >> >> Lou
> >> >> sv Miracles
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM,
> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Rik,
> >> >> > It takes really small hands and a
> second
> >> person. I
> >> >> recommend using an
> >> >> > electric driver or you will be
> spending the
> >> better
> >> >> part of a day
> >> >> > installing all of
> >> >> > them. I have never seen screws used
> on the
> >> trunk cap.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rummy
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008
> 11:21:39 A.M.
> >> Eastern
> >> >> Daylight Time,
> >> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have to ask, how would you use
> through
> >> bolts on the
> >> >> centerboard
> >> >> > cap of
> >> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how you
> are
> >> going to hold
> >> >> the nuts to
> >> >> > tighten them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rik
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Will Rogers often said,
> "There's
> >> nothing
> >> >> quite like money in the
> >> >> > bank." He
> >> >> > went on to say, "I'm not so
> >> concerned about
> >> >> the return on my money
> >> >> > as I am
> >> >> > about the return of my money."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tootle wrote:
> >> >> >> Saroj:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As to sealants, do not use 5200
> like
> >> some boat
> >> >> builders. It is
> >> >> >> called
> >> >> >> sealant but it is permanent and
> prevents
> >> future
> >> >> repair,
> >> >> >> painting, etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I recommend a sealant that says
> for under
> >> water
> >> >> use. 3M 4000 or
> >> >> >> 4200 are
> >> >> >> numbers I can think of quickly.
> Go to
> >> the 3M
> >> >> website and see
> >> >> >> which one is
> >> >> >> for underwater use. (I know
> the cap is
> >> not
> >> >> underwater, except at
> >> >> >> times)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Another popular product is Boat
> Life
> >> Sealant, not
> >> >> Boat Life Caulk.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As to silicone products, make
> sure it
> >> says for
> >> >> underwater use.
> >> >> >> Silicone
> >> >> > II
> >> >> >> is said to be the better
> formulation of
> >> silcone
> >> >> sealants.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I would not go to Lowes. Go to
> any
> >> dockside
> >> >> marine store or if
> >> >> >> you have to
> >> >> >> the high dollar 'West
> Marine'.
> >> It would
> >> >> be better to pay the few
> >> >> >> extra
> >> >> >> schekels at West to get a
> quality
> >> product.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan
> uses a
> >> million bolts
> >> >> at the shop.
> >> >> >> Maybe older
> >> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would opt
> to go to
> >> thru
> >> >> bolts, all one
> >> >> >> million of
> >> >> >> them. Also, after you tighten
> all the
> >> first
> >> >> time, go around a
> >> >> >> second time
> >> >> >> and maybe a third. A small
> 1/4"
> >> rachet
> >> >> works for this job. If
> >> >> >> you do not
> >> >> >> have one, head for Sears and
> get a
> >> Craftsman set.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It is good to see your post.
> Are in in
> >> contact
> >> >> with any other
> >> >> >> 'Tidewater'
> >> >> >> Rhodies?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ed K
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> any chance I can ask a
> question
> >> about the
> >> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> my centerboard would not
> raise or
> >> lower so
> >> >> friend and I took the
> >> >> >>> cap
> >> >> >>> apart; found that the
> blocks had
> >> broken off
> >> >> the CB; scraped,
> >> >> >>> sanded, and
> >> >> >>> painted the inside of the
> cap, the
> >> well and
> >> >> the CB (all
> >> >> >>> encrusted with
> >> >> >>> barnacles). We have it put
> back
> >> together
> >> >> except for the cap
> >> >> >>> which has the
> >> >> >>> gasket which was already
> there...
> >> appears in
> >> >> pretty good shape. We
> >> >> >>> modified some blocks which
> was
> >> challenging
> >> >> since the attachment
> >> >> >>> area is so
> >> >> >>> small. Also did some
> fiberglass
> >> repair on
> >> >> the CB and the keel.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Two questions:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> - most of the holes had
> screws but
> >> some had
> >> >> bolts... I assume
> >> >> >>> that an
> >> >> >>> earlier owner had stripped
> out the
> >> screw
> >> >> holes. Is it likely
> >> >> >>> that reusing
> >> >> >>> the screws will provide
> sufficient
> >> pressure
> >> >> to prevent leaks or
> >> >> >>> should we
> >> >> >>> go to the trouble of
> replacing all
> >> with
> >> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
> >> >> >>> because
> >> >> >>> there are so many, but I
> don't
> >> want leaks
> >> >> obviously.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> - what sealant should we
> use? I took
> >> off the
> >> >> old sealant which
> >> >> >>> was a blue
> >> >> >>> colored rubbery substance
> that came
> >> off pretty
> >> >> easily from both
> >> >> >>> sides.
> >> >> >>> Roger's instructions
> said to use
> >> silicone.
> >> >> Is there a
> >> >> >>> particular type or
> >> >> >>> any old stuff from Lowes?
> If we use
> >> silicon,
> >> >> do we need to let
> >> >> >>> it cure a
> >> >> >>> little before clamping down
> 100% to
> >> give it a
> >> >> chance to cure?
> >> >> >>> (seems to me
> >> >> >>> it requires air to start
> the curing
> >> process).
> >> >> Has anyone used
> >> >> >>> RTV...
> >> >> >>> overkill for this
> application?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I have searched and
> searched for the
> >> tech
> >> >> info material that was
> >> >> >>> created
> >> >> >>> and organized years ago
> with no
> >> luck. Can
> >> >> someone give me a URL
> >> >> >>> for it or
> >> >> >>> does it no longer exist?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
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