[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle

John Chirch jchirch at gmail.com
Tue Oct 28 23:59:18 EDT 2008 

Saroj -

I'm also a tidewater Rhodie. Pax (1981 R22) is slipped at Mobjack Bay Marina
between Gloucester and Mathews, and I work in Hampton. If you need any help
chasing the squirrels out, give me a holler.

Jack C.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:

> I sent you an email back channel... let me know if it doesn't get to you.
>
> Saroj
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap sealant? reply to
> Saroj
>
>
> > Saroj,
> >
> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm just a bit up the road in the upper
> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News every two weeks on marina
> > business.......and will go thru Hampton in two weeks on my way to the
> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
> >
> > elle
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
> >
> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap sealant? reply to
> >> Saroj
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27 PM
> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the info.  Based on what I've read,
> >> I'm going to replace all
> >> the screws with bolts.
> >>
> >> Lou, are you the one who did the write-up with Roger in
> >> 2005-2006?  When you
> >> say "torque" are you implying you actually used a
> >> torque wrench or just as a
> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
> >>
> >> My centerboard lift line has a different configuration from
> >> that in the
> >> article I referenced above.  It starts from a small U
> >> bracket fore of the
> >> foremost block on the cap.  Since the blocks on the CB were
> >> broken I don't
> >> know how it was threaded below, but it seems to have gone
> >> from that loop
> >> thru the highest block on the CB, back up to the the
> >> foremost block on the
> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back down to the lower block
> >> on the CB (2-3
> >> inches below the other one) then up thru the aft block on
> >> the cap which acts
> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole and nipple for the lift
> >> line.  It seems
> >> that there should be another block lower down on the CB to
> >> give an extra
> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on the extreme, but I
> >> never had any
> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB before the break.
> >>
> >> I'm still wondering what sealant/caulk to use.  The guy
> >> at West Marine
> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is essentially an
> >> adhesive like 5200,
> >> just not as permanent.  Lou, what did you use?  Seems like
> >> an underwater
> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would work well.  I've
> >> never had any trouble
> >> with leaking, but I might as well do it right while its
> >> apart.  I would
> >> consider changing the gasket but it appears to be in very
> >> good condition.
> >>
> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house for the past 4 years,
> >> so Pathfinder has
> >> been on the hard in my back yard during that time.  It
> >> wasn't worth paying
> >> the slip fees when I didn't have time to use it.
> >> We're replacing the mast
> >> lights... the anchor light lens was cloudy and I lost the
> >> steaming/deck
> >> light when a branch fell on it.  I'm replacing the
> >> anchor light with an
> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck light with LED.  Figure
> >> that will help
> >> the battery charging life, and will be installing a solar
> >> panel for trickle
> >> charge.
> >>
> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding & varnishing and
> >> have to clean up some
> >> sap on the deck.  Washed all the lines and the sails and
> >> she is just about
> >> back to sailing condition.  She still looks great even at
> >> her advanced age
> >> of 24 years!
> >>
> >> I'll continue on with the cosmetic work (screens,
> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
> >> over the next year; but we're hoping to get a few sails
> >> in before winter
> >> "really" gets here, although the way things are
> >> going that may be
> >> optimisitc.  Monday afternoon it was delightful sailing
> >> weather.  Today it
> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for this region.
> >>
> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a few years ago (Rob, was
> >> that you?), but I
> >> haven't run into any Rhodes owners in the Tidewater
> >> region.  I'm living in
> >> Hampton now.
> >>
> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and the great information
> >> to help us get
> >> this project completed.
> >>
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg" <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap
> >> sealant? reply to
> >> Saroj
> >>
> >>
> >> Rik
> >>
> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap.  I prefer to tighten the
> >> nut under
> >> the cap using a closed end wrench with
> >> my  electric driver and the correct wide phillips bit in
> >> place.  Do a
> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up boots
> >> and torque the nut with a rachet wrench with the phillips
> >> bit and
> >> just hold the nut in place with the same closed end wrench
> >> (7/16")
> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
> >>
> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard cap, trunk and board
> >> including
> >> the mechanical advantage
> >>
> >> Lou
> >> sv Miracles
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > Rik,
> >> > It takes really small hands and a second person. I
> >> recommend using an
> >> > electric driver or you will be spending the better
> >> part of a day
> >> > installing all  of
> >> > them. I have never seen screws used on the trunk cap.
> >> >
> >> > Rummy
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008 11:21:39 A.M. Eastern
> >> Daylight Time,
> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
> >> >
> >> > Ed,
> >> >
> >> > I have to ask, how would you use through bolts on the
> >> centerboard
> >> > cap of
> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how you are going to hold
> >> the  nuts to
> >> > tighten them.
> >> >
> >> > Rik
> >> >
> >> > Will Rogers often said, "There's  nothing
> >> quite like money in the
> >> > bank." He
> >> > went on to say, "I'm not so  concerned about
> >> the return on my money
> >> > as I am
> >> > about the return of my  money."
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tootle wrote:
> >> >> Saroj:
> >> >>
> >> >> As to  sealants, do not use 5200 like some boat
> >> builders.  It is
> >> >> called
> >> >>  sealant but it is permanent and prevents future
> >> repair,
> >> >> painting,  etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> I recommend a sealant that says for under water
> >> use.  3M 4000 or
> >> >> 4200 are
> >> >> numbers I can think of quickly.   Go to the 3M
> >> website and see
> >> >> which one is
> >> >> for underwater use.  (I  know the cap is not
> >> underwater, except at
> >> >> times)
> >> >>
> >> >> Another  popular product is Boat Life Sealant, not
> >> Boat Life Caulk.
> >> >>
> >> >> As  to silicone products, make sure it says for
> >> underwater use.
> >> >> Silicone
> >> > II
> >> >> is said to be the better formulation of silcone
> >> sealants.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would not go to Lowes.  Go to any dockside
> >> marine  store or if
> >> >> you have to
> >> >> the high dollar 'West Marine'.  It would
> >> be better to pay the few
> >> >> extra
> >> >> schekels at West to get a quality  product.
> >> >>
> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan uses a million bolts
> >> at  the shop.
> >> >> Maybe older
> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would opt to go to  thru
> >> bolts, all one
> >> >> million of
> >> >> them.  Also, after you tighten all  the first
> >> time, go around a
> >> >> second time
> >> >> and maybe a third.  A  small 1/4" rachet
> >> works for this job.  If
> >> >> you do not
> >> >> have one,  head for Sears and get a Craftsman set.
> >> >>
> >> >> It is good to see your  post.  Are in in contact
> >> with any other
> >> >> 'Tidewater'
> >> >>  Rhodies?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed K
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Saroj  Gilbert wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> any chance I can ask a  question about the
> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> my centerboard  would not raise or lower so
> >> friend and I took the
> >> >>> cap
> >> >>> apart; found  that the blocks had broken off
> >> the CB; scraped,
> >> >>> sanded, and
> >> >>>  painted the inside of the cap, the well and
> >> the CB (all
> >> >>> encrusted  with
> >> >>> barnacles).  We have it put back together
> >> except for the  cap
> >> >>> which has the
> >> >>> gasket which was already there... appears in
> >> pretty good shape.  We
> >> >>> modified some blocks which was  challenging
> >> since the attachment
> >> >>> area is so
> >> >>> small.  Also did  some fiberglass repair on
> >> the CB and the keel.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Two  questions:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> - most of the holes had screws but some had
> >> bolts... I assume
> >> >>> that an
> >> >>> earlier owner had stripped out the screw
> >> holes.  Is it likely
> >> >>> that reusing
> >> >>> the screws will provide  sufficient pressure
> >> to prevent leaks or
> >> >>> should we
> >> >>> go to the  trouble of replacing all with
> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
> >> >>> because
> >> >>>  there are so many, but I don't want leaks
> >> obviously.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -  what sealant should we use? I took off the
> >> old sealant which
> >> >>> was a  blue
> >> >>> colored rubbery substance that came off pretty
> >> easily from  both
> >> >>> sides.
> >> >>> Roger's instructions said to use silicone.
> >>  Is  there a
> >> >>> particular type or
> >> >>> any old stuff from Lowes?  If we  use silicon,
> >> do we need to let
> >> >>> it cure a
> >> >>> little before clamping  down 100% to give it a
> >> chance to cure?
> >> >>> (seems to me
> >> >>> it requires  air to start the curing process).
> >>  Has anyone used
> >> >>> RTV...
> >> >>>  overkill for this application?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have searched and  searched for the tech
> >> info material that was
> >> >>> created
> >> >>> and organized  years ago with no luck.  Can
> >> someone give me a URL
> >> >>> for it or
> >> >>>  does it no longer exist?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
> >> >>>
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