[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
elle
watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Wed Oct 29 21:29:22 EDT 2008
NOT funny, Ben.
This isn't like you...what gives??
elle
We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:43 PM
> Hey you guys!!!! No flirting on this forum!!! What is this
> , Match.com?
>
> Ben C.
>
> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > hmmm.. sent to watermusic38 at yahoo.com at 11:20
> yesterday.
> >
> > did you get it yet?
> >
> > Give me a call when it works out for you to meet for
> coffee or lunch.
> >
> > Saroj
> > 757 871-6697
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> >
> >
> >> Saroj.
> >>
> >> 11:50pm...nothing yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> elle
> >>
> >> We can't change the angle of the wind....but
> we can adjust our sails.
> >>
> >> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to
> Elle
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
> >>> I sent you an email back channel... let me
> know if it
> >>> doesn't get to you.
> >>>
> >>> Saroj
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "elle"
> <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard
> repair - cap
> >>> sealant? reply to
> >>> Saroj
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Saroj,
> >>> >
> >>> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm
> just a bit
> >>> up the road in the upper
> >>> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News
> every two weeks
> >>> on marina
> >>> > business.......and will go thru Hampton
> in two weeks
> >>> on my way to the
> >>> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
> >>> >
> >>> > elle
> >>> >
> >>> > We can't change the angle of the
> wind....but we
> >>> can adjust our sails.
> >>> >
> >>> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06
> "WaterMusic"
> >>> (Lady in Red)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
> >>> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> From: Saroj Gilbert
> <saroj at pathfind.net>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> centerboard repair -
> >>> cap sealant? reply to
> >>> >> Saroj
> >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> List"
> >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27
> PM
> >>> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks all for the info. Based on
> what I've
> >>> read,
> >>> >> I'm going to replace all
> >>> >> the screws with bolts.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Lou, are you the one who did the
> write-up with
> >>> Roger in
> >>> >> 2005-2006? When you
> >>> >> say "torque" are you
> implying you
> >>> actually used a
> >>> >> torque wrench or just as a
> >>> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> My centerboard lift line has a
> different
> >>> configuration from
> >>> >> that in the
> >>> >> article I referenced above. It
> starts from a
> >>> small U
> >>> >> bracket fore of the
> >>> >> foremost block on the cap. Since the
> blocks on
> >>> the CB were
> >>> >> broken I don't
> >>> >> know how it was threaded below, but
> it seems to
> >>> have gone
> >>> >> from that loop
> >>> >> thru the highest block on the CB,
> back up to the
> >>> the
> >>> >> foremost block on the
> >>> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back
> down to the
> >>> lower block
> >>> >> on the CB (2-3
> >>> >> inches below the other one) then up
> thru the aft
> >>> block on
> >>> >> the cap which acts
> >>> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole
> and nipple for
> >>> the lift
> >>> >> line. It seems
> >>> >> that there should be another block
> lower down on
> >>> the CB to
> >>> >> give an extra
> >>> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on
> the extreme,
> >>> but I
> >>> >> never had any
> >>> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB
> before the
> >>> break.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'm still wondering what
> sealant/caulk to use.
> >>> The guy
> >>> >> at West Marine
> >>> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is
> essentially
> >>> an
> >>> >> adhesive like 5200,
> >>> >> just not as permanent. Lou, what did
> you use?
> >>> Seems like
> >>> >> an underwater
> >>> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would
> work well.
> >>> I've
> >>> >> never had any trouble
> >>> >> with leaking, but I might as well do
> it right
> >>> while its
> >>> >> apart. I would
> >>> >> consider changing the gasket but it
> appears to be
> >>> in very
> >>> >> good condition.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house
> for the past
> >>> 4 years,
> >>> >> so Pathfinder has
> >>> >> been on the hard in my back yard
> during that time.
> >>> It
> >>> >> wasn't worth paying
> >>> >> the slip fees when I didn't have
> time to use
> >>> it.
> >>> >> We're replacing the mast
> >>> >> lights... the anchor light lens was
> cloudy and I
> >>> lost the
> >>> >> steaming/deck
> >>> >> light when a branch fell on it.
> I'm replacing
> >>> the
> >>> >> anchor light with an
> >>> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck
> light with
> >>> LED. Figure
> >>> >> that will help
> >>> >> the battery charging life, and will
> be installing
> >>> a solar
> >>> >> panel for trickle
> >>> >> charge.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding
> &
> >>> varnishing and
> >>> >> have to clean up some
> >>> >> sap on the deck. Washed all the
> lines and the
> >>> sails and
> >>> >> she is just about
> >>> >> back to sailing condition. She still
> looks great
> >>> even at
> >>> >> her advanced age
> >>> >> of 24 years!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'll continue on with the
> cosmetic work
> >>> (screens,
> >>> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
> >>> >> over the next year; but we're
> hoping to get a
> >>> few sails
> >>> >> in before winter
> >>> >> "really" gets here,
> although the way
> >>> things are
> >>> >> going that may be
> >>> >> optimisitc. Monday afternoon it was
> delightful
> >>> sailing
> >>> >> weather. Today it
> >>> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for
> this region.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a
> few years ago
> >>> (Rob, was
> >>> >> that you?), but I
> >>> >> haven't run into any Rhodes
> owners in the
> >>> Tidewater
> >>> >> region. I'm living in
> >>> >> Hampton now.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and
> the great
> >>> information
> >>> >> to help us get
> >>> >> this project completed.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Saroj
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
> >>> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
> >>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email
> List"
> >>> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32
> PM
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> centerboard repair -
> >>> cap
> >>> >> sealant? reply to
> >>> >> Saroj
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Rik
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap. I
> prefer to
> >>> tighten the
> >>> >> nut under
> >>> >> the cap using a closed end wrench
> with
> >>> >> my electric driver and the correct
> wide phillips
> >>> bit in
> >>> >> place. Do a
> >>> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up
> boots
> >>> >> and torque the nut with a rachet
> wrench with the
> >>> phillips
> >>> >> bit and
> >>> >> just hold the nut in place with the
> same closed
> >>> end wrench
> >>> >> (7/16")
> >>> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard
> cap, trunk
> >>> and board
> >>> >> including
> >>> >> the mechanical advantage
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Lou
> >>> >> sv Miracles
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM,
> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > Rik,
> >>> >> > It takes really small hands and
> a second
> >>> person. I
> >>> >> recommend using an
> >>> >> > electric driver or you will be
> spending the
> >>> better
> >>> >> part of a day
> >>> >> > installing all of
> >>> >> > them. I have never seen screws
> used on the
> >>> trunk cap.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Rummy
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008
> 11:21:39 A.M.
> >>> Eastern
> >>> >> Daylight Time,
> >>> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Ed,
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I have to ask, how would you use
> through
> >>> bolts on the
> >>> >> centerboard
> >>> >> > cap of
> >>> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how
> you are
> >>> going to hold
> >>> >> the nuts to
> >>> >> > tighten them.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Rik
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Will Rogers often said,
> "There's
> >>> nothing
> >>> >> quite like money in the
> >>> >> > bank." He
> >>> >> > went on to say, "I'm
> not so
> >>> concerned about
> >>> >> the return on my money
> >>> >> > as I am
> >>> >> > about the return of my
> money."
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Tootle wrote:
> >>> >> >> Saroj:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As to sealants, do not use
> 5200 like
> >>> some boat
> >>> >> builders. It is
> >>> >> >> called
> >>> >> >> sealant but it is permanent
> and prevents
> >>> future
> >>> >> repair,
> >>> >> >> painting, etc.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I recommend a sealant that
> says for under
> >>> water
> >>> >> use. 3M 4000 or
> >>> >> >> 4200 are
> >>> >> >> numbers I can think of
> quickly. Go to
> >>> the 3M
> >>> >> website and see
> >>> >> >> which one is
> >>> >> >> for underwater use. (I
> know the cap is
> >>> not
> >>> >> underwater, except at
> >>> >> >> times)
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Another popular product is
> Boat Life
> >>> Sealant, not
> >>> >> Boat Life Caulk.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As to silicone products,
> make sure it
> >>> says for
> >>> >> underwater use.
> >>> >> >> Silicone
> >>> >> > II
> >>> >> >> is said to be the better
> formulation of
> >>> silcone
> >>> >> sealants.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> I would not go to Lowes. Go
> to any
> >>> dockside
> >>> >> marine store or if
> >>> >> >> you have to
> >>> >> >> the high dollar 'West
> Marine'.
> >>> It would
> >>> >> be better to pay the few
> >>> >> >> extra
> >>> >> >> schekels at West to get a
> quality
> >>> product.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan
> uses a
> >>> million bolts
> >>> >> at the shop.
> >>> >> >> Maybe older
> >>> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would
> opt to go to
> >>> thru
> >>> >> bolts, all one
> >>> >> >> million of
> >>> >> >> them. Also, after you
> tighten all the
> >>> first
> >>> >> time, go around a
> >>> >> >> second time
> >>> >> >> and maybe a third. A small
> 1/4"
> >>> rachet
> >>> >> works for this job. If
> >>> >> >> you do not
> >>> >> >> have one, head for Sears
> and get a
> >>> Craftsman set.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> It is good to see your
> post. Are in in
> >>> contact
> >>> >> with any other
> >>> >> >> 'Tidewater'
> >>> >> >> Rhodies?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Ed K
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>> any chance I can ask a
> question
> >>> about the
> >>> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> my centerboard would
> not raise or
> >>> lower so
> >>> >> friend and I took the
> >>> >> >>> cap
> >>> >> >>> apart; found that the
> blocks had
> >>> broken off
> >>> >> the CB; scraped,
> >>> >> >>> sanded, and
> >>> >> >>> painted the inside of
> the cap, the
> >>> well and
> >>> >> the CB (all
> >>> >> >>> encrusted with
> >>> >> >>> barnacles). We have it
> put back
> >>> together
> >>> >> except for the cap
> >>> >> >>> which has the
> >>> >> >>> gasket which was already
> there...
> >>> appears in
> >>> >> pretty good shape. We
> >>> >> >>> modified some blocks
> which was
> >>> challenging
> >>> >> since the attachment
> >>> >> >>> area is so
> >>> >> >>> small. Also did some
> fiberglass
> >>> repair on
> >>> >> the CB and the keel.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Two questions:
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> - most of the holes had
> screws but
> >>> some had
> >>> >> bolts... I assume
> >>> >> >>> that an
> >>> >> >>> earlier owner had
> stripped out the
> >>> screw
> >>> >> holes. Is it likely
> >>> >> >>> that reusing
> >>> >> >>> the screws will provide
> sufficient
> >>> pressure
> >>> >> to prevent leaks or
> >>> >> >>> should we
> >>> >> >>> go to the trouble of
> replacing all
> >>> with
> >>> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
> >>> >> >>> because
> >>> >> >>> there are so many, but
> I don't
> >>> want leaks
> >>> >> obviously.
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> - what sealant should
> we use? I took
> >>> off the
> >>> >> old sealant which
> >>> >> >>> was a blue
> >>> >> >>> colored rubbery
> substance that came
> >>> off pretty
> >>> >> easily from both
> >>> >> >>> sides.
> >>> >> >>> Roger's instructions
> said to use
> >>> silicone.
> >>> >> Is there a
> >>> >> >>> particular type or
> >>> >> >>> any old stuff from
> Lowes? If we use
> >>> silicon,
> >>> >> do we need to let
> >>> >> >>> it cure a
> >>> >> >>> little before clamping
> down 100% to
> >>> give it a
> >>> >> chance to cure?
> >>> >> >>> (seems to me
> >>> >> >>> it requires air to
> start the curing
> >>> process).
> >>> >> Has anyone used
> >>> >> >>> RTV...
> >>> >> >>> overkill for this
> application?
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> I have searched and
> searched for the
> >>> tech
> >>> >> info material that was
> >>> >> >>> created
> >>> >> >>> and organized years ago
> with no
> >>> luck. Can
> >>> >> someone give me a URL
> >>> >> >>> for it or
> >>> >> >>> does it no longer
> exist?
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >>
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